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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:28 pm

...if the Agreement our Leadership makes is well founded, based on the Universal Principals, as Individuals, we all can defend without hesitation, it will be a step forward. Bicommunal, will not represent the division between what is "Turkish", and what is not "Turkish"(read:"Greek"). It will offer our identity as Cypriots a form of expression, and secure our Freedom. Liberty, what the Turkish Constituency seeks, as Persons, in affect, cannot exclude the same Liberty to others, who as Persons, represent a distinct identity which is Cypriot. But, they, the Turkish Constituency, will enjoy being closer to the taxes they pay.

In any case there must exist a Republic of Cyprus. Cypriot Constituencies are not anathema to this intention. By example, given a parameter by Charter for it, and a Territorial Jurisdiction, it is possible for the Turkish Constituency to demonstrate the practicality of such an enterprise, and that Citizens, as an electorate of another Constituency may see practical sense to it too. Cyprus is an ethnos. It is not "Greek" although the overwhelming population is Greek. It is not "Turkish", although the population of Cypriots includes Turcophones, and, that population seeks as Persons to sustain a vital Cypriot Community. This is as i see the facts, so i am hopeful, it is not so hard to understand, and as a matter of fact we must better ourselves, "English" being the dominant language in social-exchange, social-exchange being so important to Cypriots.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:45 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...if the Agreement our Leadership makes is well founded, based on the Universal Principals, as Individuals, we all can defend without hesitation, it will be a step forward. Bicommunal, will not represent the division between what is "Turkish", and what is not "Turkish"(read:"Greek"). It will offer our identity as Cypriots a form of expression, and secure our Freedom. Liberty, what the Turkish Constituency seeks, as Persons, in affect, cannot exclude the same Liberty to others, who as Persons, represent a distinct identity which is Cypriot. But, they, the Turkish Constituency, will enjoy being closer to the taxes they pay.

In any case there must exist a Republic of Cyprus. Cypriot Constituencies are not anathema to this intention. By example, given a parameter by Charter for it, and a Territorial Jurisdiction, it is possible for the Turkish Constituency to demonstrate the practicality of such an enterprise, and that Citizens, as an electorate of another Constituency may see practical sense to it too. Cyprus is an ethnos. It is not "Greek" although the overwhelming population is Greek. It is not "Turkish", although the population of Cypriots includes Turcophones, and, that population seeks as Persons to sustain a vital Cypriot Community. This is as i see the facts, so i am hopeful, it is not so hard to understand, and as a matter of fact we must better ourselves, "English" being the dominant language in social-exchange, social-exchange being so important to Cypriots.

first the embargoes have to be removed. once it is, the rest will follow like night follows day when the tcs are treated as human beings they will recipricate. dont you worry about a thing.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby kurupetos » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:25 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...exchange?

Good old Turkish alizverishi. :mrgreen:

BTW, we are not interested, kuz. :twisted:
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:40 pm

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...exchange?

Good old Turkish alizverishi. :mrgreen:

BTW, we are not interested, kuz. :twisted:

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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:11 am

Lordo wrote:peace agreement means exchange you stupido. after peace those who move north will get their property the rest will be exchanged.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:12 am

repulsewarrior wrote:..."exchange"

...how about "giving back" about half of what (read: "you",) the occupation regime claims under its authority? That's a start, as equals.

...how about "giving back" more from there, if "you" are so keen on derogations, and special treatment?

...indeed, "you" want special treatment, and yet the remaining minorities in Cyprus which are equal in need, if they are to sustain their distinct identities are ignored; not very Cypriot, i think.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:13 am

...just to put the word, "exchange", in perspective.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:37 pm

absolute nonsense. where do you get half from for what reason.

fair exchange is what it is. naturally some will be given back but i fear the only thing left is maras. the rest will be exchange and once done there will be tc lands remaining at the end for which either roc will purchase or hand back. it really is not rocket science.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:17 am

Justice must be seen, Lordo.

The occupation regime must demonstrate that it is not an extension of the Turkish Army, or of the Ministry of Turkey's Foreign Affairs. It must demonstrate a Cypriot way, where by its existence, other Cypriot Constituencies my consider its value in organising themselves accordingly. If it is to represent something as a Constituency, it must offer a distinct identity that can only encourage Cypriots having the intention to do so, an opportunity, one for all Cypriots as Persons to sustain it. "It", at present, cannot sustain itself, as we can see. If it is to be "Turkish", an exclusivity that will be defined by what is not "Turkish", it too needs the recognition of Cypriots, and their willingness to sustain such an intention; territoriality speaking, an even smaller geography would be rationally explained.

...but none of this demonstrates to the displaced, whether of '63, or in '74, (and there are hundreds of thousands, over a third of the island's population) their recognition and respect, for having carried most of the war debt so far, silently. And, who were displaced not as Individuals, in the very real sense as Cypriots, but by "Greeks" and/or "Turks" having labelled them thus within the context of their own adversity; no demonstration that as the victims, we mourn their loss as Cypriots. Cyprus is not "Greek", or "Turkish". Cypriots as "Communities", speaking of land returned to its rightful owners, is not an issue to be ignored, it needs great care, it is the heart of any action we may choose to move forward, from where we are, now.

Geographically speaking, i have spoken about enclaves, and even if the Green Line was little unchanged, how their introduction north and south of it, will offer Cypriots a greater number of choices, and better service island-wide; something to think about. Cyprus as Cyprus, many frontiers, no border.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby kurupetos » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:51 am

Lordo wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...exchange?

Good old Turkish alizverishi. :mrgreen:

BTW, we are not interested, kuz. :twisted:

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