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26th march 2016

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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:49 pm

Lordo wrote:i dont know how much you are aware of the cyprus problem rw but the whole of the tc community is enclaved. in any case why me, what has this post got to do with me.


All the TC sitting in the plane around me, flashing their RoC passports were definitely enclaved.
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:18 pm

...if there were enclaves spotting the whole island, Grecophone in the north Turcophone in the south, it may be possible to add even more diversity to the Cypriot fabric, while repopulating the island in a manner where Justice is seen: the return of communities, not just individuals.

Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two. It actually means anything, but tearing this island in two.
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:12 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...if there were enclaves spotting the whole island, Grecophone in the north Turcophone in the south, it may be possible to add even more diversity to the Cypriot fabric, while repopulating the island in a manner where Justice is seen: the return of communities, not just individuals.

Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two. It actually means anything, but tearing this island in two.

far from it. cyprus now is divided and bbf will unite cypriots. political equality is already agreed. either we have 1960 agreement with veto in a unified state of bbf with two politically equal federal states. considering unifed state has not been discussed since 1963. you have to stop pissing in the wind living in a wishful world. hard facts are there for all to see. cypriots will be give one more chance to unite.
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:33 pm

Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...if there were enclaves spotting the whole island, Grecophone in the north Turcophone in the south, it may be possible to add even more diversity to the Cypriot fabric, while repopulating the island in a manner where Justice is seen: the return of communities, not just individuals.

Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two. It actually means anything, but tearing this island in two.

far from it. cyprus now is divided and bbf will unite cypriots. political equality is already agreed. either we have 1960 agreement with veto in a unified state of bbf with two politically equal federal states. considering unifed state has not been discussed since 1963. you have to stop pissing in the wind living in a wishful world. hard facts are there for all to see. cypriots will be give one more chance to unite.


...i am sorry Lordo, what you wish for is very unclear to me, so too what you expect from the negotiations as results.
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:51 pm

He wants a new Turkish province in Cyprus, but he wants us to pay the money for them to "modernize".
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:54 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...if there were enclaves spotting the whole island, Grecophone in the north Turcophone in the south, it may be possible to add even more diversity to the Cypriot fabric, while repopulating the island in a manner where Justice is seen: the return of communities, not just individuals.

Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two. It actually means anything, but tearing this island in two.

far from it. cyprus now is divided and bbf will unite cypriots. political equality is already agreed. either we have 1960 agreement with veto in a unified state of bbf with two politically equal federal states. considering unifed state has not been discussed since 1963. you have to stop pissing in the wind living in a wishful world. hard facts are there for all to see. cypriots will be give one more chance to unite.


...i am sorry Lordo, what you wish for is very unclear to me, so too what you expect from the negotiations as results.

rw either you are not following the talks or you are against the talks, either way you are wrong. bbf will allow the two communities to normalise life. they can run their own zones under a united country without interference from the other subject to federal laws. if you do not agree with this than i am afraid you have lost all reason. the talks will deliver an agreement on these basis.
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:55 pm

DrCyprus wrote:He wants a new Turkish province in Cyprus, but he wants us to pay the money for them to "modernize".

you can fuck off
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:22 am

...i am sorry if you fail to see that there will be no "new" Cyprus, although internally, we are all expecting something different. I still get the impression that you imagine that things will stay just the way they are, and that what is, will be legitimatised, i on the other hand, if i understand what you are saying, do not.
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:21 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...if there were enclaves spotting the whole island, Grecophone in the north Turcophone in the south, it may be possible to add even more diversity to the Cypriot fabric, while repopulating the island in a manner where Justice is seen: the return of communities, not just individuals.

Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two. It actually means anything, but tearing this island in two.

far from it. cyprus now is divided and bbf will unite cypriots. political equality is already agreed. either we have 1960 agreement with veto in a unified state of bbf with two politically equal federal states. considering unifed state has not been discussed since 1963. you have to stop pissing in the wind living in a wishful world. hard facts are there for all to see. cypriots will be give one more chance to unite.


...i am sorry Lordo, what you wish for is very unclear to me, so too what you expect from the negotiations as results.

it is not what i wish rw, it is what is being negotiated. have you read the february 14 statement. now this has already been agreed.

1. The status quo is unacceptable and its prolongation will have negative consequences for the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The leaders affirmed that a settlement would have a positive impact on the entire region, while first and foremost benefiting Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, respecting democratic principles, human rights and fundamental freedoms, as well as each other's distinct identity and integrity and ensuring their common future in a united Cyprus within the European Union.
2. The leaders expressed their determination to resume structured negotiations in a results-oriented manner. All unresolved core issues will be on the table, and will be discussed interdependently. The leaders will aim to reach a settlement as soon as possible, and hold separate simultaneous referenda thereafter.
3. The settlement will be based on a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, as set out in the relevant Security Council Resolutions and the High Level Agreements. The united Cyprus, as a member of the United Nations and of the European Union, shall have a single international legal personality and a single sovereignty, which is defined as the sovereignty which is enjoyed by all member States of the United Nations under the UN Charter and which emanates equally from Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. There will be a single united Cyprus citizenship, regulated by federal law. All citizens of the united Cyprus shall also be citizens of either the Greek-Cypriot constituent state or the Turkish-Cypriot constituent state. This status shall be internal and shall complement, and not substitute in any way, the united Cyprus citizenship.
The powers of the federal government, and like matters that are clearly incidental to its specified powers, will be assigned by the constitution. The Federal constitution will also provide for the residual powers to be exercised by the constituent states. The constituent states will exercise fully and irrevocably all their powers, free from encroachment by the federal government. The federal laws will not encroach upon constituent state laws, within the constituent states' area of competences, and the constituent states' laws will not encroach upon the federal laws within the federal government's competences. Any dispute in respect thereof will be adjudicated finally by the Federal Supreme Court. Neither side may claim authority or jurisdiction over the other.
4. The united Cyprus federation shall result from the settlement following the settlement's approval by separate simultaneous referenda. The Federal constitution shall prescribe that the united Cyprus federation shall be composed of two constituent states of equal status. The bi-zonal, bi-communal nature of the federation and the principles upon which the EU is founded will be safeguarded and respected throughout the island. The Federal constitution shall be the supreme law of the land and will be binding on all the federation's authorities and on the constituent states. Union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession or any other unilateral change to the state of affairs will be prohibited.
5. The negotiations are based on the principle that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
6. The appointed representatives are fully empowered to discuss any issue at any time and should enjoy parallel access to all stakeholders and interested parties in the process, as needed. The leaders of the two communities will meet as often as needed. They retain the ultimate decision making power. Only an agreement freely reached by the leaders may be put to separate simultaneous referenda. Any kind of arbitration is excluded.
7. The sides will seek to create a positive atmosphere to ensure the talks succeed. They commit to avoiding blame games or other negative public comments on the negotiations. They also commit to efforts to implement confidence building measures that will provide a dynamic impetus to the prospect for a united Cyprus.

do you understand the above?
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Re: 26th march 2016

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:44 pm

That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.


Have you seen this one Lordo?

...count them. (at least) three governing bodies are implied.
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