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[Tim Drayton]

Let's see if I've got this right. A far-right billionaire has come to office and has filled his team with other far-right billionaires. And they are in the vanguard of a fight against the global elite on behalf of the common man. Yes?

[Lordo]

and his first action is to remove Obamacare for 20 million poor Americans. He certainly has shown care for the common man.

[Robin Hood]

Let's see if I've got this right. A far-right billionaire has come to office and has filled his team with other far-right billionaires. And they are in the vanguard of a fight against the global elite on behalf of the common man. Yes?

Yes! You need people that know the ropes ..... you use a thief to catch a thief! Would you want someone to pilot an aeroplane you were travelling in, that had only ever read about it in books. I think they call that 'lateral thinking'.

[Robin Hood]

and his first action is to remove Obamacare for 20 million poor Americans. He certainly has shown care for the common man.

First ......... Let's see what he intends to replace it with ?

I don't know about you, but I have never worked out exactly what the difference is between 'ObamaCare' and taking out medical insurance. Both require a premium to be paid and both do it through private insurance companies. With ObamaCare I understand if you didn't sign up for it you got fined or maybe even taken to court and imprisoned ?

[Robin Hood]

Assuming the guy is genuine and means what he says? I am still on the fence with that ...... even the latest videos from his first day in the Oval Office show him as being a bit out of his depth.

It is going to be an up-hill struggle for Trump, let us hope in dealing with the back-stabbing bast**ds in the commercial arena he can work out how to bring these ‘powerful elements within the CIA’ down! I am going to guess that it will happen from within the CIA itself? There are a lot more Chelsea Manning's and Edward Snowden’s who are genuine American patriots, who will dish the dirt on those at the top.

Regime Change Comes Home: The CIA’s Overt Threats against Trump - By Prof. James Petras

The norms of US capitalist democracy include the election of presidential candidates through competitive elections, unimpeded by force and violence by the permanent institutions of the state. Voter manipulation has occurred during the recent elections, as in the case of the John F. Kennedy victory in 1960 and the George W. Bush victory over ‘Al’ Gore in 2000. But despite the dubious electoral outcomes in these cases, the ‘defeated’ candidate conceded and sought via legislation, judicial rulings, lobbying and peaceful protests to register their opposition.

These norms are no longer operative. During the election process, and in the run-up to the inauguration of US President-Elect Donald Trump, fundamental electoral institutions were challenged and coercive institutions were activated to disqualify the elected president and desperate overt public pronouncements threatened the entire electoral order.

We will proceed by outlining the process that is used to undermine the constitutional order, including the electoral process and the transition to the inauguration of the elected president.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46275.htm

[Londonrake]

It's not something I've gone into beyond superficial but aren't the insurance companies legally obliged to take on people with pre existing maladies under Obamacare?

[Robin Hood]

It's not something I've gone into beyond superficial but aren't the insurance companies legally obliged to take on people with pre existing maladies under Obamacare?

I seem to remember hearing that at some time too. But like you. my knowledge is no more than sketchy, I've never looked into it in any detail ...... but apparently an NHS it ain't !

[Tim Drayton]

I think the assessment is probably correct that, through the process known as globalisation, the top echelons from among national ruling classes have merged into a single global ruling class that wields immense power, possibly far more than one group ever has before in the history of our planet, although it does so behind carefully conceived smoke screens so that most people are unaware even of its existence. I think the term 'New World Order' is as good as any for describing this situation, so I share your belief that this phenomenon exists. The odd thing is that vast numbers of left-minded people, many of whom have a similar perception, are out protesting against Trump, whom they find to be a gut-wrenching reactionary who is part of and supports the system of class oppression. Yes, these same people also opposed another reactionary, Reagan, in his day. The only reason I haven't been on any anti-Trump demonstrations is because there have been none hereabouts, to the best of my knowledge. It is odd that we can set out from the same premise and reach opposite conclusions, no?

[Robin Hood]

Tim Drayton:

The odd thing is that vast numbers of left-minded people, many of whom have a similar perception, are out protesting against Trump, whom they find to be a gut-wrenching reactionary who is part of and supports the system of class oppression.

I am not sure how you define ‘left minded’? Trump is rich; he had a good start in life as his family were rich but surely what we are talking about is not wealth per se, it is power and the ability to control the rest of the population, which defines this NWO. I don’t like Trump but he has some sound ideas, one of them being to break down this NWO structure which is without doubt all pervasive. Unfortunately, from what I have seen so far he appears to have the ideas but does not have a clue how to carry them out ............. he does not seem to have an integrated plan. As I said previously, just watching him today in the Oval Office he seemed to be totally out of his depth.

The king-pin of this NWO is the Rothschild family and we do not know who else is part of it as it is not something that is advertised, only speculated. But the wealth is predominantly from the banking and financial sector and, just like you say about the NWO, the majority of the population are in the dark about how it has been operated over the last 200 years.

The common concept of people putting their money into the bank and the bank lending it is a complete fallacy. The whole system, when you start to analyse it, is a fraud on a truly massive scale and has been so since the early days of the modern banking system as created by Mayer Amschel Rothchild (Bauer). To bring down the NWO it would be required to bring down the banking and financial system .......... is Trump capable enough to do that? If he is not then he can change very little ......... the first blow has to be a strike at the head of the snake and it has to be fatal.

Yes, these same people also opposed another reactionary, Reagan, in his day. The only reason I haven't been on any anti-Trump demonstrations is because there have been none hereabouts, to the best of my knowledge. It is odd that we can set out from the same premise and reach opposite conclusions, no?

I think we have reached the same conclusion ..... something in our world stinks! It is just where the smell is coming from where we seem to differ. I don’t understand the reason you would be particularly anti-Trump as he has no political/diplomatic record to form an opinion from? So it can only be a personal dislike of him and what you believe he stands for because he is very rich. Hillary, on the other hand, ...... she had an appalling track record, far worse than anything you could possibly pin on Trump .......... as Trump said, she should be in prison.

[Tim Drayton]

It still doesn't make sense to me. If you look at Trump's team, we are very familiar with one name: Wilbur Ross, the man who bought out Bank of Cyprus. This is somebody who has spent his life buying out companies all over the world and then stripping their assets. He has amassed a personal fortune estimated to be two and a half billion dollars in the process. This sounds to me like somebody who is part of the global elite. What makes you think that he has suddenly shifted sides and now wants to challenge this elite when he has done so well as a member of it? Yes, perhaps this is one gang within that elite that wants to grab even more power and money for themselves by sidelining other members of the elite. What makes you think they are doing this because they have the interests of ordinary people at heart? Wilbur Ross has a long history of dismissing large parts of the workforce of any company he has bought out. That does not make him sound like a friend of the people to me. What gives you this unswerving conviction that they are acting for the good of humanity?