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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:29 am

MrH wrote:...Turks do eventually get their own way!

Can’t blame us for keeping our weapons nice and polished eh… :wink:

I’m just glad that Ottoman dirt like you and Lordo exist to constantly remind our youngsters why Turkish filth must be resisted and eradicated.

Keep 'em coming...
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:57 pm

by Maximus,

I stand by my opinion, Turkey is going to have a real problem, a calamity of epic proportions within the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe sooner.

What goes around comes around. You reap what you sow.


Maximus,

THE NUCLEAR ISSUE:
I am going to answer you in a more pleasant way my friend, and I am hoping that you reply the same as opposed to one-liners. In a nutshell, there are many elements about the Republic of Turkey that you are either uneducated about, not aware or chose to ignore. Turkey is a country that is connected to 16 other Turkic, former Russian Federated areas, it is a very influential country that is also NATO's second largest standing army. The Cuban crisis was resolved due to the American Nuclear warheads being shift away from Russia, which shows how important Eastern Turkey is to the United States! Turkey in Cyprus is obviously a Thorny issue for the Greek Cypriots, but the Greek Cypriots need to understand that for Turkey it's not only the Land that is important but the Sea Channels and new border line set after 1974. Turkey's military North of Famagusta now has more flexibility and control than they ever did prior to 1974 - that's very important for Turkey. As for what you constantly say about Turkey being nuked, I would expect that type of talk from a 15 year old Nationalist APOEL member whom doesn't understant anything about World politics, economics, Turkey's influence at home and abroad, it's control over the Bosphorous Sea, the Black Sea, the PPK issue and its history, Turkey's close relations with the EU, Azerbaijan and the other Turkic states, Turkey's real connection with America and the Fact that Turkey is a "Republic" state and not an Islamic one. Turkey may have a majority population Today following the Suni Muslim faith, but remember that it's a "Republic state" and also an EU Candidate. It's Western Front and Upper Governmental organization and MGK are western educated and have very strong Western connections. Ataturk changed establish Turkey with Strong irreversible Western values such as the switch of its writing from Arabic to the Roman-alphabet. Also, don't be fooled by the latest Russian/Turko issue the other week, Russian and Turkey are very Close Allies - this will be proven once again in time. Unlike Turkey, Russia is all alone and cannot risk upsetting Turkey otherwise Turkey could cause Russia some serious Internal issues and further break up it's country by recognising other "Federated states". Also, Russia has issues of its own to deal with such as "Chechnya", "Ukraine" and many many other states and federated entities that would like to further cause Russian unrest.

RUSSIAN ENEMIES AND NO NUCLEAR TREAT:
I could go on forever explaining all the different elements of how important Turkey is and its influence at home and abroad, but what I'm worries about is how ignorant YOU are. When you talk about Nuking Turkey....Do you seriously understand what that means? Let me put it lightly.....NO Control in this world would dare to use a Nuclear missile against another country as it would open the doors to a holocaust ESPECIALLY Russia. If Russia tried anything like that, and trust me on this, many other countries around it would LOVE to respond in removing it from the face of the earth.

Over the Years Russia has built more enemies than anyother country in the world, to name only a few - In fact, there are too many.....read this link:
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-are-russias-allies-enemies-heres-how-russians-view-other-countries-infographic-1409150

CYPRUS COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION
So Maximus, please stop your Nuke ranting and actually Discuss thee "Cyprus Problem" and how it can be solved?

Give us suggestions, work in line with the Bi-Zonal, Bi-Communal, Federation of Two States that the UN, Turkish Cypriots and your Greek Cypriot government has signed up to!

Understand that Turkey is not going anywhere in Cyprus until a "Comprehensive" Solution to the Cyprus problem has been achieved!

And if a Comprehensive solution is not found, all I can say is that things will continue as they are until Northern Cyprus is eventually a province of Turkey due to the vehement opposition of Turkey joining the EU by the two Greek countries - don't think we don't know the truth Maximus!

Try not to respond with silly remarks but please engage in proper dialogue if possible?
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:08 pm

Postby Get Real! » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:29 am

MrH wrote:
...Turks do eventually get their own way!


Can’t blame us for keeping our weapons nice and polished eh… :wink:

I’m just glad that Ottoman dirt like you and Lordo exist to constantly remind our youngsters why Turkish filth must be resisted and eradicated.

Keep 'em coming...


Get real!,

Long time no Dialogue my good friend. Of course, you know that what I say on this forum is not entirely the way I truly am in real life! I like to sometimes test the water, push the boundaries and see how far the Greek Cypriots go in terms of their anger levels. You never know what can happen if a Liberal Greek Cypriot is pushed/how much they can suddenly change or shift their political position, if you know what I mean.

Let's just say that sometimes it's informative for our Turkish Cypriot position to see what the Greek Cypriots at ground level are truly like and this forum proves exactly that when our "Negotiating" teams meet up. Of course, I struggle in changing my way of writing to you only not to give my true identity and position away - believe me when I say it's a struggle to change my style of writing!

Anyway Get Real! I hope you are well and actually advocating a peaceful settlement to the Cyprus Problem and not one based on hatred and "Majority" Greekification of the entire island, which your President is once again proving as doing with his fancy adoption of the words "Derogations", "Constituent", "Morphou", and etc etc. It's all too become transparent over the many years that even the UN are once again rolling their eyes and laughing behind every meeting we have.

Good luck, must dash, have a Christmas lunch I must attend to - I do like those bacon rolled sausages at this time of year! Mmmmmmmm
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby Sotos » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:17 pm

Nothing is accepted, then or now. We have the one and only recognized state in Cyprus which is exclusively run by the native Cypriot people, while the foreign Turks are just thieves who are illegally occupying what does not belong to them. The only change that will ever happen will be the day that the foreign invaders will be defeated and Cyprus will be free.
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:56 pm

Unread postby Sotos » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:17 pm
Nothing is accepted, then or now. We have the one and only recognized state in Cyprus which is exclusively run by the native Cypriot people, while the foreign Turks are just thieves who are illegally occupying what does not belong to them. The only change that will ever happen will be the day that the foreign invaders will be defeated and Cyprus will be free.


Sotos,

You seem to forget that Cyprus was under Ottoman rule from 1571 (well before the establishment and occupation of the USA - which in your eyes and the Australians of today too I'm guessing makes them "Invaders and Occupiers") to 1878, making the Island of Cyprus as much as it is so-called "Hellenic" also Turkish!

This is why an Agreement in Cyprus is either based on CURRENT and ACCEPTED Federal grounds of a Bi-Zonal, Bi-Comm Federal United Republic or nothing. Which part of that does not fit into your disillusion world. The ONLY Way the "Republic of Cyprus" TODAY will be the Comprehensive solution is for it to remain as it is forever, which would eventually lead the TRNC in becoming as part of mainland Turkey if it isn't already! You don't seem to grasp the Cyprus issue. Turkey will never give up Cyprus for EU accession, if it did, it would have happened many years ago.

It's either a BBCom or nothing, read the following and Wake up Bro:



1. The status quo is unacceptable and its prolongation will have negative consequences for the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The leaders affirmed that a settlement would have a positive impact on the entire region, while first and foremost benefiting Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, respecting democratic principles, human rights and fundamental freedoms, as well as each other's distinct identity and integrity and ensuring their common future in a united Cyprus within the European Union.

2. The leaders expressed their determination to resume structured negotiations in a results-oriented manner. All unresolved core issues will be on the table, and will be discussed interdependently. The leaders will aim to reach a settlement as soon as possible, and hold separate simultaneous referenda thereafter.

3. The settlement will be based on a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, as set out in the relevant Security Council Resolutions and the High Level Agreements. The united Cyprus, as a member of the United Nations and of the European Union, shall have a single international legal personality and a single sovereignty, which is defined as the sovereignty which is enjoyed by all member States of the United Nations under the UN Charter and which emanates equally from Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. There will be a single united Cyprus citizenship, regulated by federal law. All citizens of the united Cyprus shall also be citizens of either the Greek-Cypriot constituent state or the Turkish-Cypriot constituent state. This status shall be internal and shall complement, and not substitute in any way, the united Cyprus citizenship.

The powers of the federal government, and like matters that are clearly incidental to its specified powers, will be assigned by the constitution. The Federal constitution will also provide for the residual powers to be exercised by the constituent states. The constituent states will exercise fully and irrevocably all their powers, free from encroachment by the federal government. The federal laws will not encroach upon constituent state laws, within the constituent states' area of competences, and the constituent states' laws will not encroach upon the federal laws within the federal government's competences. Any dispute in respect thereof will be adjudicated finally by the Federal Supreme Court. Neither side may claim authority or jurisdiction over the other.

4. The united Cyprus federation shall result from the settlement following the settlement's approval by separate simultaneous referenda. The Federal constitution shall prescribe that the united Cyprus federation shall be composed of two constituent states of equal status. The bi-zonal, bi-communal nature of the federation and the principles upon which the EU is founded will be safeguarded and respected throughout the island. The Federal constitution shall be the supreme law of the land and will be binding on all the federation's authorities and on the constituent states. Union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession or any other unilateral change to the state of affairs will be prohibited.

5. The negotiations are based on the principle that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

6. The appointed representatives are fully empowered to discuss any issue at any time and should enjoy parallel access to all stakeholders and interested parties in the process, as needed. The leaders of the two communities will meet as often as needed. They retain the ultimate decision making power. Only an agreement freely reached by the leaders may be put to separate simultaneous referenda. Any kind of arbitration is excluded.

7. The sides will seek to create a positive atmosphere to ensure the talks succeed. They commit to avoiding blame games or other negative public comments on the negotiations. They also commit to efforts to implement confidence building measures that will provide a dynamic impetus to the prospect for a united Cyprus.
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:59 pm

The powers of the federal government, and like matters that are clearly incidental to its specified powers, will be assigned by the constitution. The Federal constitution will also provide for the residual powers to be exercised by the constituent states. The constituent states will exercise fully and irrevocably all their powers, free from encroachment by the federal government
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby Maximus » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:37 pm

The Cyprus problem is one of apartheid, invasion, occupation, colonization and ethnic cleansing. When this is reversed there will be a solution.

I still think Turkey will be carved up like the former Yugoslavia within the next 5 to 10 years. A calamity of epic proportions awaits............May Allah have mercy on your souls.

If you support evil, you will get evil.
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:31 pm

~Maximus said:

If you support evil, you will get evil.


I guess that's why the TRNC was established after the Greek Cypriots sided with the 15th July EOKA B Junta at the time and killed hundreds/thousands of Turkish Cypriot Civilians from 1963-74!

Seems like your quote above was meant for you! LOL

As for Turkey, personally - It's not my concern, that's your Evil wish and desire! Now who is the Evil thinker Mr Gladiator Maximus :lol:
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Re: The REJECTED to the ACCEPTED!

Postby B25 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:36 pm

MrH wrote:~Maximus said:

If you support evil, you will get evil.


and killed hundreds/thousands of Turkish Cypriot Civilians from 1963-74!


More Turkish bollocks. Give us a link to where thousands were killed. Why not tally the number of TCs Vs GCs killed and see we suffered the worst you F dickhead.

Seems the turkish propaganda BS has filled your skulls with shit! :twisted: :twisted:
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