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Postby DrCyprus » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:07 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I notice that you are very selective in what you quote from that article, which actually sets out, with copious examples, to show how school textbooks in both Turkey and Greece condition people in those countries to hate each other.


I made the source available in my post. I'm quite aware of most of the Greek nationalist claptrap as I was exposed to it at school.

Tim Drayton wrote:Has it never occurred to you that when you look at this Turkish nationalistic nonsense, you are actually looking in a mirror and seeing how the fundamentalist Greek nationalist claptrap that fills this forum appears to an outsider?


Most Greeks know absolutely nothing about the education their neighbors receive. At the same time, Turks in this forum seem to have "Megali Idea" and "Enosis" down to the T. It's about time to unmask some of the hypocricy and disfunction which plagues this country... and maybe just maybe prepare for a dialogue that has to do with the bigger picture of things.
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:20 pm

The double catastrophe of being raised a Turk is that they are not only taught WHAT to think, they are also never taught HOW to think - so they are lost souls. Doomed to live a life of lies.

(I think I paraphrased Hitchens.)
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:47 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Has it never occurred to you that when you look at this Turkish nationalistic nonsense, you are actually looking in a mirror and seeing how the fundamentalist Greek nationalist claptrap that fills this forum appears to an outsider?


Yes I do Tim.

Not that there is anything wrong with being Nationalistic, but when Greeks start pointing fingers you got to laugh.

For crying out loud, Greece had an entire invented and romanticized false history such as the Underground Schools during Ottoman Times which were run by the Church and the legendary dance off the cliffs. It was false and the Church was in bed with the Ottomans all that time, but the text books never mentioned this because textbooks are manipulated by the same Church.

You got to wonder.
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:48 am

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Has it never occurred to you that when you look at this Turkish nationalistic nonsense, you are actually looking in a mirror and seeing how the fundamentalist Greek nationalist claptrap that fills this forum appears to an outsider?


Yes I do Tim.

Not that there is anything wrong with being Nationalistic, but when Greeks start pointing fingers you got to laugh.

For crying out loud, Greece had an entire invented and romanticized false history such as the Underground Schools during Ottoman Times which were run by the Church and the legendary dance off the cliffs. It was false and the Church was in bed with the Ottomans all that time, but the text books never mentioned this because textbooks are manipulated by the same Church.

You got to wonder.


So, according to you, claiming that there were underground church schools during Ottoman times, something not 100% false but not 100% the way they are described to school children, it's something "you got to wonder" and "invented romanticized false history" which makes you "cry out loud".

Well, imagine if our children were presented the following as facts:

The following are tidbits I could find from "La Turquie en Europe (Paris 1988)", a book written by a former president of Turkey called Turgut Ozal.

This is a famous book in Turkish circles, Turgut Ozal appropriates the Greeks of Asia Minor as a Turkish Anatolian civilization, and continuously asserts that Homer was a Turk called Omer, and Macedonians were not Greek but seperate people and calls Aristotle and Alexander non Greeks. This is basically promoting the agenda of them and their friends.

"Homer our compatriot initiated in Anatolia, in the ninth century B.C. that which one would later call 'the Greek miracle"

"The comparison of the Anatolian poets and philosophers with the Greeks - between 900 and 500 A.D. -shows clearly that the appearance of Homer in Anatolia was not fortuitous.
"For three centuries Asia Minor - and above all Ionia and the Aegean isles- gave to the world, following Homer, a pleiade of poets who were all the creators of a separate genre to the Greek."

Now, of course the British help their long-term allies further the reach of humdrum bullshit lies that everything that happens in Asia Minor, called Anatolia by the Turks, is Turkish

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ewasbornin
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:48 pm

I just thought I would add as a postscript that I worked for several years as a teacher in secondary schools in Turkey so I do have some idea what is taught in Turkish schools and what appears in school textbooks there. Never mind. The only 'knowledge' of Turkey that most people here have are the stereotypes they have been indoctrinated with. I am just glad that we live in a place where there is freedom of thought and expression. So, believe and say whatever you like. It is the season of goodwill towards all people, so I wish everybody a happy festive season and all the best for the new year.
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Postby Sotos » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:26 pm

The only 'knowledge' of Turkey that most people here have are the stereotypes they have been indoctrinated with

I wish it was that way. I wish that the Turks had been far far away from us (Mongolia sounds about right) and that all we knew about them came from fairy-tales. Unfortunately we have first hand experience of their barbarism and expansionism against us which started centuries ago and continues today.
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:47 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I just thought I would add as a postscript that I worked for several years as a teacher in secondary schools in Turkey so I do have some idea what is taught in Turkish schools and what appears in school textbooks there. Never mind. The only 'knowledge' of Turkey that most people here have are the stereotypes they have been indoctrinated with. I am just glad that we live in a place where there is freedom of thought and expression. So, believe and say whatever you like. It is the season of goodwill towards all people, so I wish everybody a happy festive season and all the best for the new year.


Happy Festive season Tim.
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:48 pm

Anyway, for something a little more up to date than a three year old storm in a teacup, how about the following for an insight as to how racist and fascist press outlets in Turkey are reacting to current developments in Greece? The following leads into an article that appeared in the rabidly islamofascist and populist Yeni Akit, a staunch supporter of Erdoğan and the AKP.

The headline reads:
“POOFS TO GREECE”

The subcaption reads:
“Perverted marriages approved in Greece”

The picture is from a gay march in Turkey.

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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby Paphitis » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:56 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Anyway, for something a little more up to date than a three year old storm in a teacup, how about the following for an insight as to how racist and fascist press outlets in Turkey are reacting to current developments in Greece? The following leads into an article that appeared in the rabidly islamofascist and populist Yeni Akit, a staunch supporter of Erdoğan and the AKP.

The headline reads:
“POOFS TO GREECE”

The subcaption reads:
“Perverted marriages approved in Greece”

The picture is from a gay march in Turkey.

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That's something to hit on Turkey for. At least it's valid.

Unfortunately Tim, many Cypriots on this forum who consider themselves Nationalists probably agree with this Turkish Paper.
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Re: Turkey "Apologises" for School Map -Blast from the Past-

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:58 pm

Correction. That's today's Yeni Akit (December 24th).
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