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Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:21 pm

Reality Bites the Greek Cypriots the more they choose to reject every UN Plan Presented to them:

Supporters of Partition: (read the footnote at the end by former UN Preventative for Cyprus affairs!)


(1) The Cyprus Problem: What Everyone Needs to Know", James Ker-Lindsay (UN Secretary-General's Special Advisor on Cyprus), Oxford University Press, April 2011

(2) Hugo Gobbi (Former United Nations Secretary General's Special Representative on Cyprus) Cyprus Mail-26.Feb.1996 "Partition may be the only solution"

(3) James Ker-Lindsay (expert advisor to UN Special Advisor on Cyprus):"As the status quo in Cyprus becomes untenable, perhaps the solution lies in a more radical option – partition."Michael Moran (Sussex University)

(4) Riz Khan (Al-Jazeera): "Cyprus: time for formal partition?"

(5) Jack Straw (UK's foreign secretary): "Cyprus should be partitioned"

(6) William Chislett (Real Instituto Elcano, Spain): "Cyprus: Time for a Negotiated Partition?"

(7) Marios Matsakis (Greek Cypriot MEP in European Parliament), Hermes Solomon (A Greek Cypriot columnist, Cyprus Mail), Loucas Charalambous (A Greek Cypriot columnist, Cyprus Mail), Nicola Solomonides (A Greek Cypriot academician), Rauf Denktas (Founder of Northern Cyprus)

(8) Clement Dodd, The History and Politics of the Cyprus Conflict, Palgrave Macmillan, 2010 "Exactly fifty years after Cyprus became independent, the chances of reuniting the island look slim."

(9) Chaim Kaufmann, 1999. "When All Else Fails: Evaluating Population Transfers and Partition as Solutions to Ethnic Conflict. In Barbara F. Walter and Jack Snydered. Civil War, Insecurity, and Intervention. New York: Columbia University Press, 221–260." page248: "We should not fail to separate populations in cases that have already produced large-scale violence and intense security dilemmas".

(10) Chaim Kaufmann, 2007. "An Assessment of the Partition of Cyprus. International Studies Perspectives,8" pages 220–221: "the partition of Cyprus contributed to the settlement of violent conflict there"

(11) Cyprus Mail 12.01.2014 "The only Plan B on offer is partition which may well be the only viable solution after all these years, but this should be made clear."



International observers are fed up with the so called "Cyprus process of seeking a federal" solution for a small, insignificant island nation in view of the more grand scale politics of Today's world. In short, the UN can not wait for the Cyprus issue to be resolved and it doesn't really care how or what kind of agreement is formulated. Like with the after-result of the former Yugoslavia, it can't wait to put a lid on the Cyprus process, even if it means Partition.
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby Lordo » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:25 pm

not until this coming vote. if the gcs say no again, certainly it will happen. and of course partition will not need voting.
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby MrH » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:28 pm

Exactly Lordo,

But the Greek Cypriots are in complete denial of this as they believe the shamble events after the 2004 referendum result will again work to their favor! That's their only hope for the continuation of their illegal "Hijacked" so called "Republic of Cyprus" state. It's either incorporated into the new "United Cyprus Republic" as a Constituent state, or they can have it without Northern Cyprus indefinitely.
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby Lordo » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:35 pm

Katsoullides said this the other day regarding the negotiations. There will be no more negotiations after 2016. If there is no agreement, the current border will remain and that will be the end of that.
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby boulio » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:36 pm

since the the ROC is the recognized entity on the whole island they would need to agree to a partition,what does turkey offer?
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby Kikapu » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:48 pm

Perhaps the RoC should give an airbase or two and a naval port to Russia and see if ALL the Partitionist still want a partition in Cyprus, specially Turkey. :wink:
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby Nikitas » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:22 pm

Ecevit was dead against partition and/or double union. Read his comments.

Turks should read some of their own commentators before they resort to foreign ones.

BBF IS partition, but with a polite name and hindrances on the Greek Cypriot component region. Full formal partition would mean that the south will retain full control of the southern EEZ, will have full independence to enter unhindered into any defence arrangement with any other country, it could unite with any other country. As naturally could the northern independent state.

Are you guys sure Turkey wants not one but TWO independent nations at its southern "vulnerable underbelly" as one Turkish general called the south coast of Turkey?

Read Davutoglu's "Strategic Depth" and you will find the answers.

At this stage of the game partition is not a threat for the GCs, it is a liberating act that more and more of them are beginning to appreciate.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. It only takes a single parliamentary session and a unilateral plebiscite to cast off the north. The only entity that can legally do this is the RoC.

Just think of what repercussions that act would have on you, before you threaten the RoC with partition.
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:30 pm

Nikitas wrote:Ecevit was dead against partition and/or double union. Read his comments.

Turks should read some of their own commentators before they resort to foreign ones.

BBF IS partition, but with a polite name and hindrances on the Greek Cypriot component region. Full formal partition would mean that the south will retain full control of the southern EEZ, will have full independence to enter unhindered into any defence arrangement with any other country, it could unite with any other country. As naturally could the northern independent state.

Are you guys sure Turkey wants not one but TWO independent nations at its southern "vulnerable underbelly" as one Turkish general called the south coast of Turkey?

Read Davutoglu's "Strategic Depth" and you will find the answers.

At this stage of the game partition is not a threat for the GCs, it is a liberating act that more and more of them are beginning to appreciate.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. It only takes a single parliamentary session and a unilateral plebiscite to cast off the north. The only entity that can legally do this is the RoC.

Just think of what repercussions that act would have on you, before you threaten the RoC with partition.


...well said Nikitas. Our only security is as Cypriots. Cypriots are and have been the dwellers here, until they were divided for political purposes, not to free them from subjugation, but to keep them from defending each other.

...let us try and remember that it is easy to describe the Cyprus Problem as a fight between "Greeks" and "Turks", but we do a great injustice to the murdered and missing in doing so, because "Greeks" did not murder primarily "Turks", and vice versa. They murdered Cypriots.

Peace will not come from tearing this island in two.
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:06 pm

There are contingency plans in the new plan if it does lead to partition. Nikita's mentioned it before during the discussion on restrictions. The implementation on restrictions on other constituent states gives both the power to userp property legally.. If the Tc state does it then the Gc state will also do it on the Tc property ..
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Re: Observers Suggest Partition!

Postby Sotos » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:19 pm

Since the declaration of the pseudo state by Turkey in 1983 over 30 new countries were created and recognized. Why isn't your pseudo state in the list? The answer is simple: The land you occupy belongs to us, not to you. Expecting recognition of the pseudo state is like expecting that Turkey will be allowed to join the EU. Neither will ever happen.
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