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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:11 pm

ioann wrote: The Kurds have no rights in Turkey but they can still create problems to the Turks.


Only a Turk would say such a thing.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby ioann » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote: The Kurds have no rights in Turkey but they can still create problems to the Turks.


Only a Turk would say such a thing.


Only a whore would use the avatar you are using.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby ioann » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:12 pm

Making arbitrary accusations is the easiest thing. I can do it too ;)
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby DrCyprus » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:15 pm

What an amazing thread this has become.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:21 pm

ioann wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote: The Kurds have no rights in Turkey but they can still create problems to the Turks.


Only a Turk would say such a thing.


Only a whore would use the avatar you are using.


I'll take it that you cannot defend your claim that Kurds have no rights in Turkey.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:57 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote: The Kurds have no rights in Turkey but they can still create problems to the Turks.


Only a Turk would say such a thing.


Only a whore would use the avatar you are using.


I'll take it that you cannot defend your claim that Kurds have no rights in Turkey.

of course they have rights. they have the right to put a cross in a box on a piece of paper once every 5 years. it is called democracy.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby ioann » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:13 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote: The Kurds have no rights in Turkey but they can still create problems to the Turks.


Only a Turk would say such a thing.


Only a whore would use the avatar you are using.


I'll take it that you cannot defend your claim that Kurds have no rights in Turkey.


Are you trying to defend the Turks now?

The Kurds have no rights as a community in Turkey of the kind that TCs demand for themselves.

Even if we somehow manage the ultimate victory and liberate Cyprus then the TCs would be demanding a return to the 1960 agreements which legally is their right.

Therefore instead of holding back for the highly unlikely ultimate victory I say that a two state 80-20% would be a nearly as good solution because in that case all Turks will be concentrated in that 20% and we will not have to deal with them. Let me tell you that Turkey would hate this arrangement because Turkey wants to take control of the whole Cyprus and such an agreement would finish off any claims they can have to the rest of Cyprus and to our EEZ.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby ioann » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:16 pm

Lordo wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
ioann wrote: The Kurds have no rights in Turkey but they can still create problems to the Turks.


Only a Turk would say such a thing.


Only a whore would use the avatar you are using.


I'll take it that you cannot defend your claim that Kurds have no rights in Turkey.

of course they have rights. they have the right to put a cross in a box on a piece of paper once every 5 years. it is called democracy.


You could also get the right to put a cross in a box on a piece of paper once every 5 years.

Democracy is apparently not enough for you but you think it should be enough for the Kurds.
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Maximus » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:32 pm

ioann wrote:
Even if we somehow manage the ultimate victory and liberate Cyprus then the TCs would be demanding a return to the 1960 agreements which legally is their right.

Therefore instead of holding back for the highly unlikely ultimate victory I say that a two state 80-20% would be a nearly as good solution because in that case all Turks will be concentrated in that 20% and we will not have to deal with them. Let me tell you that Turkey would hate this arrangement because Turkey wants to take control of the whole Cyprus and such an agreement would finish off any claims they can have to the rest of Cyprus and to our EEZ.


Although you are right that the TC's would demand the 1960 arrangement if the liberation of the north comes to pass, I disagree that this is legally their right. Not now its not. Reverting back to that arrangement wouldn't amount to a liberation of the north anyway. It would amount to a Turkish victory and the whole of Cyprus would become what it would have been under the Annan plan, just without two constituent states. It would amount to the state of affairs in the 1960's and early seventies where conflict is highly probable. Possibly the worst outcome of all. They can demand, it does not mean they will get.

I used to think like this too, that a two state solution would finish off any claims they have for the rest of Cyprus. What you are essentially banking on though is that Turkey will be a good neighbor and respect the RoC's sovereign rights, not interfere and that the TC's will stay in their "country". Given their track record in the region, I wouldn't bank on either or find solace that that would be the end of the problem or that you wouldn't have to deal with them. it would just be the beginning of the next chapter of their belligerence with a stronger political and legal standing than what they have today.

Why? because Turkey wants to take control over the whole island and the EEZ, just as you say. And the TC's would help them.

They have "their" cake, they want to eat yours too now. It wouldn't be any different tomorrow with or without an "agreement".
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Re: Ranking the alternative outcomes of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:56 pm

ioann wrote:
Lordo wrote:of course they have rights. they have the right to put a cross in a box on a piece of paper once every 5 years. it is called democracy.


You could also get the right to put a cross in a box on a piece of paper once every 5 years.

Democracy is apparently not enough for you but you think it should be enough for the Kurds.

no reh gumbare you got it the wrong way round. the kerrds should have a veto like the tcs had in the 60s and they should have a bbf system like we will have next year. will pay attention to what is being posted.

if you cant tell a sarcastic comment i feel sorry for you.
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