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[MR-from-NG]

I must add that unitary Cyprus is not what is being negotiated. If as a result of the negotiations that's what we have I will accept and respect it. My goal is for a peaceful and a strong Cypriot community regardless of unitary bbf or whatever.

It does not change the fact that your community's leadership have always put forward divisive and discriminatory proposals to create a backward regime and an apartheid state. Their views expressed at the negotiating table are the views of the majority of your community's and Turkey's. Which is the opposite of what you want and has a high probability of conflict if it every comes to pass. It does not matter how it's dressed up, it will not pass.

So, I don't know what you are arguing with the GC members on this forum for all the time and calling them haters. When you should be looking at your own.

And why is that Maximus? I don't know your age but my father who is 86 always tells me that he and the rest of the TC's were treated as second class citizens. You can't really blame them for looking for a solution that will put an end to discrimination. Why are you always referring to a "backward" regime? Are you to aware of the year we're in? 2015 is now where we're at. We have advanced and are right up to pace with the times. Do not make the mistake of comparing us to mainland Turks, we are Cypriots and we are as enlightened as you are.

[Maximus]

I must add that unitary Cyprus is not what is being negotiated. If as a result of the negotiations that's what we have I will accept and respect it. My goal is for a peaceful and a strong Cypriot community regardless of unitary bbf or whatever.

It does not change the fact that your community's leadership have always put forward divisive and discriminatory proposals to create a backward regime and an apartheid state. Their views expressed at the negotiating table are the views of the majority of your community's and Turkey's. Which is the opposite of what you want and has a high probability of conflict if it every comes to pass. It does not matter how it's dressed up, it will not pass.

So, I don't know what you are arguing with the GC members on this forum for all the time and calling them haters. When you should be looking at your own.

And why is that Maximus? I don't know your age but my father who is 86 always tells me that he and the rest of the TC's were treated as second class citizens. You can't really blame them for looking for a solution that will put an end to discrimination. Why are you always referring to a "backward" regime? Are you to aware of the year we're in? 2015 is now where we're at. We have advanced and are right up to pace with the times. Do not make the mistake of comparing us to mainland Turks, we are Cypriots and we are as enlightened as you are.

How can your community always have been treated like second class citizens when they ruled over Cyprus for 5 centuries?

Then in 1960, your community denied democracy and still deny it to this day.

[Oceanside50]

The constitution discriminated against the majority. We all know who that was and is.

When a minority of 18% (does not matter what kind) of the population can veto the remaining 82% on all matters related to governance. You don't have democracy.

When a minority of 18% (does not matter what kind) of the population demands 30% of everything which is more than 50% per head than the remaining 82% of the population. You have discrimination.

The majority are inviting the minority to make economic and human development progress in a free and fair society within the European Union. But they don't want it. They ARGUE and choose to ignore world opinion and promote apartheid.They want Turkish guarantees in Cyprus and for Turkish settlers and all other nationalities that have settled illegally in the north to have precedence over refugees.

The majority are offering relative progress and prosperity but the minority are offering a backwards regime. They are offering to debase everyone with Turks and take everybody backwards and for the majority to pay for it. If the minority really are Cypriots and want the best for Cyprus why can't they say goodbye to Turkey and the settlers and accept democracy and the law with the majority of Cypriots?

They don't so I can only conclude that the minority is "Turkish" and has sh!t for brains. Which is dangerous for the majority if they get their way.

Thats a silly argument Maximus. A constitution is not like buying a second-hand car and then returning it because of a dodgy clutch. Cyprus got its independence based on the population of Cyprus. TC's were very much in the mix when the constitution was drawn. You will argue a gun was held to your head. Thats bollocks, you agreed to everything in the constitution and that is fact. Saying we have shit for brains and constantly insulting us is hardly going to help the situation, is it?

We are Cypriots and have every right to live in our own country in peace. You are the ones preventing us from doing this and its inhumane.

aren't you the ones handing flowers to the illegal occupier of cyprus, every july 20th... aren't you guys the ones that justify keeping the turk army in cyprus while you people live on others land and selling stolen lands to those dirty brits..and justifying all of this by telling yourselves all gc are evil eoka b and racist cypriots????

[MR-from-NG]

I must add that unitary Cyprus is not what is being negotiated. If as a result of the negotiations thats what we have I will accept and respect it. My goal is for a peaceful and a strong Cypriot community regardless of unitary bbf or whatever.

Since you would accept unitary, bbf, whatever, and we will only accept unitary, then it means our common ground is unitary. So that is obviously the only solution that can be agreed.

You and other members of the forum are not doing the negotiating Sotos. Will you accept and respect the outcome of the negotiations?

The current negotiations with Akinci and Anastasi wont get to a referendum. All the parties, including Stasi's are still in the 'OXI' position at the moment because of what Akinci is putting forward.

They wont put anything to referendum unless they are confident there is a good chance of a 'Nai'.

You need to look at your own if you want a fair and viable solution!

I'm fine with that Maximus. It is you that has a problem with the will of the people. Lets for arguments sake say the Cypriots vote for a YES in a referendum. Will you accept and respect it or will we still be arguing day and night on the forum? It is this I would like an answer to.

If I'm not mistaken, sometime ago the question was asked and if I remember correctly I was told by a forum member that you would fight tooth and nail to kill each and every TC till the island was Greek, and that worries me.

[MR-from-NG]

I must add that unitary Cyprus is not what is being negotiated. If as a result of the negotiations that's what we have I will accept and respect it. My goal is for a peaceful and a strong Cypriot community regardless of unitary bbf or whatever.

It does not change the fact that your community's leadership have always put forward divisive and discriminatory proposals to create a backward regime and an apartheid state. Their views expressed at the negotiating table are the views of the majority of your community's and Turkey's. Which is the opposite of what you want and has a high probability of conflict if it every comes to pass. It does not matter how it's dressed up, it will not pass.

So, I don't know what you are arguing with the GC members on this forum for all the time and calling them haters. When you should be looking at your own.

And why is that Maximus? I don't know your age but my father who is 86 always tells me that he and the rest of the TC's were treated as second class citizens. You can't really blame them for looking for a solution that will put an end to discrimination. Why are you always referring to a "backward" regime? Are you to aware of the year we're in? 2015 is now where we're at. We have advanced and are right up to pace with the times. Do not make the mistake of comparing us to mainland Turks, we are Cypriots and we are as enlightened as you are.

How can your community always have been treated like second class citizens when they ruled over Cyprus for 5 centuries?

Then in 1960, your community denied democracy and still deny it to this day.

I'm guessing you are a lot younger than me Maximus, in which case there would be no point in me expecting you to understand the problems my father faced during those years.

[Sotos]

I must add that unitary Cyprus is not what is being negotiated. If as a result of the negotiations thats what we have I will accept and respect it. My goal is for a peaceful and a strong Cypriot community regardless of unitary bbf or whatever.

Since you would accept unitary, bbf, whatever, and we will only accept unitary, then it means our common ground is unitary. So that is obviously the only solution that can be agreed.

You and other members of the forum are not doing the negotiating Sotos. Will you accept and respect the outcome of the negotiations?

I am not obligated to. I have every right to reject it if I don't like it. Unlike you who have no right to illegally occupy Cyprus.

[Oceanside50]

The constitution discriminated against the majority. We all know who that was and is.

When a minority of 18% (does not matter what kind) of the population can veto the remaining 82% on all matters related to governance. You don't have democracy.

When a minority of 18% (does not matter what kind) of the population demands 30% of everything which is more than 50% per head than the remaining 82% of the population. You have discrimination.

The majority are inviting the minority to make economic and human development progress in a free and fair society within the European Union. But they don't want it. They ARGUE and choose to ignore world opinion and promote apartheid.They want Turkish guarantees in Cyprus and for Turkish settlers and all other nationalities that have settled illegally in the north to have precedence over refugees.

The majority are offering relative progress and prosperity but the minority are offering a backwards regime. They are offering to debase everyone with Turks and take everybody backwards and for the majority to pay for it. If the minority really are Cypriots and want the best for Cyprus why can't they say goodbye to Turkey and the settlers and accept democracy and the law with the majority of Cypriots?

They don't so I can only conclude that the minority is "Turkish" and has sh!t for brains. Which is dangerous for the majority if they get their way.

Thats a silly argument Maximus. A constitution is not like buying a second-hand car and then returning it because of a dodgy clutch. Cyprus got its independence based on the population of Cyprus. TC's were very much in the mix when the constitution was drawn. You will argue a gun was held to your head. Thats bollocks, you agreed to everything in the constitution and that is fact. Saying we have shit for brains and constantly insulting us is hardly going to help the situation, is it?

We are Cypriots and have every right to live in our own country in peace. You are the ones preventing us from doing this and its inhumane.

aren't you the ones handing flowers to the illegal occupier of cyprus, every july 20th... aren't you guys the ones that justify keeping the turk army in cyprus while you people live on others land and selling stolen lands to those dirty brits..and justifying all of this by telling yourselves all gc are evil eoka b and racist cypriots????

mr from ng...can you answer my questions...

and have you noticed that there have been no polls published after all of this "negotiating" process, the word is that 90% of gc are at oxi..

[Maximus]

I must add that unitary Cyprus is not what is being negotiated. If as a result of the negotiations thats what we have I will accept and respect it. My goal is for a peaceful and a strong Cypriot community regardless of unitary bbf or whatever.

Since you would accept unitary, bbf, whatever, and we will only accept unitary, then it means our common ground is unitary. So that is obviously the only solution that can be agreed.

You and other members of the forum are not doing the negotiating Sotos. Will you accept and respect the outcome of the negotiations?

The current negotiations with Akinci and Anastasi wont get to a referendum. All the parties, including Stasi's are still in the 'OXI' position at the moment because of what Akinci is putting forward.

They wont put anything to referendum unless they are confident there is a good chance of a 'Nai'.

You need to look at your own if you want a fair and viable solution!

I'm fine with that Maximus. It is you that has a problem with the will of the people. Lets for arguments sake say the Cypriots vote for a YES in a referendum. Will you accept and respect it or will we still be arguing day and night on the forum? It is this I would like an answer to.

If I'm not mistaken, sometime ago the question was asked and if I remember correctly I was told by a forum member that you would fight tooth and nail to kill each and every TC till the island was Greek, and that worries me.

I dont have a problem with the will of the people. I am confident that a bad solution will not pass.

You should be worried that your leadership are putting forward divisive proposals. The same type of divisive proposals that created conflict in the past. You should be worried if something like that passes. I can guarantee you, that if there is some form of apartheid, your community will find conflict. Its not a threat, it is an inevitable outcome and it wont matter what I or we say on a forum.

[MR-from-NG]

The constitution discriminated against the majority. We all know who that was and is.

When a minority of 18% (does not matter what kind) of the population can veto the remaining 82% on all matters related to governance. You don't have democracy.

When a minority of 18% (does not matter what kind) of the population demands 30% of everything which is more than 50% per head than the remaining 82% of the population. You have discrimination.

The majority are inviting the minority to make economic and human development progress in a free and fair society within the European Union. But they don't want it. They ARGUE and choose to ignore world opinion and promote apartheid.They want Turkish guarantees in Cyprus and for Turkish settlers and all other nationalities that have settled illegally in the north to have precedence over refugees.

The majority are offering relative progress and prosperity but the minority are offering a backwards regime. They are offering to debase everyone with Turks and take everybody backwards and for the majority to pay for it. If the minority really are Cypriots and want the best for Cyprus why can't they say goodbye to Turkey and the settlers and accept democracy and the law with the majority of Cypriots?

They don't so I can only conclude that the minority is "Turkish" and has sh!t for brains. Which is dangerous for the majority if they get their way.

Thats a silly argument Maximus. A constitution is not like buying a second-hand car and then returning it because of a dodgy clutch. Cyprus got its independence based on the population of Cyprus. TC's were very much in the mix when the constitution was drawn. You will argue a gun was held to your head. Thats bollocks, you agreed to everything in the constitution and that is fact. Saying we have shit for brains and constantly insulting us is hardly going to help the situation, is it?

We are Cypriots and have every right to live in our own country in peace. You are the ones preventing us from doing this and its inhumane.

aren't you the ones handing flowers to the illegal occupier of cyprus, every july 20th... aren't you guys the ones that justify keeping the turk army in cyprus while you people live on others land and selling stolen lands to those dirty brits..and justifying all of this by telling yourselves all gc are evil eoka b and racist cypriots????

And us TC's really have choice in this? Come on guys, get a fucking grip will you. Turkey has us by the balls. They can cut our water supply. They can, at a drop of a hat stop salaries to civil servants. They can stop us from taking off on a flight from Cyprus. They have full control of what we do, where we go and how we spend our money.

Anytime anyone of us say a word against them we are told to shut up because they saved us from certain annihilation. So, I will end this session with a big THANK YOU for getting us into this shit in the fist place. ENOSIS ha? Lets get rid of the TC's ha? Nite nite.

[Sotos]

The TCs could have stayed in Cyprus after enosis. We didn't attack you, we defended ourselves when YOU attacked us because you wanted to deny to us our right to choose where our own island should belong.