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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:43 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...yes, who exactly?

...destroy Cyprus? It would not surprise me to see the names of "Greeks" on that list, along with the "Turks".

...and those that are not on those lists, those that are Cypriot, worse to visit the occupied north, make the effort to pay them a visit and by choice spend your money with them, worse for the "Turks".

You can promote the Flag of Cyprus, you can shop Cypriot, these are choices too. Barring visits has it limits, it does nothing to move the lives of Cypriots forward.


Plenty of Greeks on the list.

All you have to do is look at the events surrounding the Cyprus Airways collapse and pay particular attention at who it was the inherited sound assets such as Heathrow, Gatwick and Charles de Gaulle slots. Also, go to the airport and see Cyprus Airways tugs and Airport Vehicles now in the livery of a foreign Airline. These were assets belonging to the Cypriot Taxpayer.

This airline, also promotes tourism to Turkey and by extension it is indirectly promoting tourism to the Occupied North through its partner airline which operates services to Ercan.

Also, there are people looking into who in Cyprus holds substantial share holdings within the same company. Unfortunately, in Cyprus, MPs and Ministers (and the Archbishop) are not required to disclose their assets to a public administrator to ensure no conflict of interest whilst exercising their public duties like they do in the UK for instance.

Oh, there are also quite a number of Greek Pilots (which I understand) who work for the Turkish Airline and they do fly to Ercan.

Check it out!

Look, everyone is in it for themselves, including our politicians and public figures. That is why you are all being sold out.
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:31 am

"That is why you are all being sold out.", sorry Paphitis, who is the "you", you are referring to?
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:05 am

repulsewarrior wrote:"That is why you are all being sold out.", sorry Paphitis, who is the "you", you are referring to?


All of us. GCs and TCs too.

The Annan Plan supporter is negotiating a deal, but little does he know that it has to be supported by the GCs with a majority vote.

I could be wrong, but from what I have seen the last few months, our Government Officials are not to be trusted AT ALL!

If this new plan is similar to Annan, and it gets through, then we better get ready for a turbulent future.

For me, the way the Cyprus Airways saga was handled is plenty of evidence that our Government Officials have absolutely zero respect for the people, voters, and tax payer. Everyone might think I am exaggerating, but if this saga played out in America or Australia, Government Officials would face very serious questions and possible charges as all are equal before the law in those countries.

I have a cold shiver just thinking the same individuals are negotiating a "deal".
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:52 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...yes, who exactly?

...destroy Cyprus? It would not surprise me to see the names of "Greeks" on that list, along with the "Turks".


How many "Greeks" are on Akinci's list of buddies controlling/advertising the occupied north as a nation, hey?

RW, stop trying to excuse Turks and "Turks" simply because you want to seem like a nice guy. It's a stupid way to be.

You really want people to visit the occupied north as if it was a "Nation", unchanged for millennia? Ignorant or uncaring for the 200,000 GCs usurped from their homes? I call that being a Turk!
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:03 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...yes, who exactly?

...destroy Cyprus? It would not surprise me to see the names of "Greeks" on that list, along with the "Turks".


How many "Greeks" are on Akinci's list of buddies controlling/advertising the occupied north as a nation, hey?

RW, stop trying to excuse Turks and "Turks" simply because you want to seem like a nice guy. It's a stupid way to be.

You really want people to visit the occupied north as if it was a "Nation", unchanged for millennia? Ignorant or uncaring for the 200,000 GCs usurped from their homes? I call that being a Turk!


Here you go:

cyprus38242.html?hilit=Aegean%20airlines

https://www.facebook.com/groups/129318323873073/

Oh there are so many photos of advertising on illegal hotel properties located in occupied Cyprus.

We will also be shocked to find out who exactly has a financial interest in the company all the way to the top echelons of Cypriot Politics.

I take it you won't be travelling with Aegean then?
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby erolz66 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:17 am

http://ec.europa.eu/cyprus/turkish_cypr ... dex_en.htm

The policy of the EU with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community was set out by the General Affairs Council on 26 April 2004, just before Cyprus joined the EU:

“The Turkish Cypriot community have expressed their clear desire for a future within the European Union. The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of the Turkish Cypriot community.


http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_PRES-04-115_en.htm

2576th Council meeting - General Affairs - Luxembourg, 26 April 2004

The Governments of the Acceding States were represented as follows:

Cyprus :Mr George IACOVOU Minister for Foreign Affairs

Cyprus - Council conclusions 7

Cyprus - Council conclusions
Over lunch, Ministers held an exchange of views on the situation in Cyprus following the referendum on the United Nations settlement plan on 24 April.
The Council adopted the following conclusions:

The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of the Turkish Cypriot community.
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:26 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Over lunch, Ministers held an exchange of views on the situation in Cyprus


Yeah, tell us what they discussed over dinner, as well .... in 2004! :lol:
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:35 pm

- Perhaps it was this bit that you directly cut off from your quote:


The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU. ...

The Council asked Coreper to expedite discussion on the Regulation on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol 10 of the Act of Accession with a view to its adoption before 1 May, taking due account of the Council's desire to send a signal of encouragement to the Turkish Cypriot community that its future rests in a united Cyprus within the European Union."


Now, how do these adverts for a "North Cyprus" as a holiday destination fit into a united Cyprus?
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:18 pm

...actions produce equal and opposite reactions. Extreme actions result in an equal opposing force. Defining Cypriots as "Greek" and "Turkish", being mutually exclusive, has as a result Cypriots ignored for the benefit of the adversarial position taken, and formed as an Agenda. Competition is good. Like the opening of the gates, we as Cypriots must be welcoming.

In that regard, i say, choose. Get active and choose. Cypriot for Cypriot, will identify the "Greeks" and "Turks" among us.

@GIG, you suggest Akinci is the top of this list. I do not. His election has a very clear mandate. Choosing him, his electors chose Cyprus over Turkey, this is worth remembering. I understand your position. But it is not enough. Cypriots need to mobilise as Cypriots. As Tourism goes, i guess that the Republic makes the same effort to reach the same population. Cypriots can make the difference by directing these tourists to other Cypriots ourselves. The reality is that the occupation forces have their own enterprise; if you are Cypriot they are the competition, they are the enemy, and by spending other-where, tourists can make a difference. I cannot imagine telling someone to visit Kyrenia, and to enjoy their vacation there without hesitation, because as Cyprus goes it is worth visiting. However, if i met a tourist going there i would suggest where their patronage can do some good, having been informed, allowing them to evaluate their experiences accordingly. Cypriots exist GIG, as Cypriots we should be willing to defend each other against this enemy among us.
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Re: Is Boris putting Londoners at risk?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:18 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...actions produce equal and opposite reactions. Extreme actions result in an equal opposing force. Defining Cypriots as "Greek" and "Turkish", being mutually exclusive, has as a result Cypriots ignored for the benefit of the adversarial position taken, and formed as an Agenda. Competition is good. Like the opening of the gates, we as Cypriots must be welcoming.

In that regard, i say, choose. Get active and choose. Cypriot for Cypriot, will identify the "Greeks" and "Turks" among us.

@GIG, you suggest Akinci is the top of this list. I do not. His election has a very clear mandate. Choosing him, his electors chose Cyprus over Turkey, this is worth remembering. I understand your position. But it is not enough. Cypriots need to mobilise as Cypriots. As Tourism goes, i guess that the Republic makes the same effort to reach the same population. Cypriots can make the difference by directing these tourists to other Cypriots ourselves. The reality is that the occupation forces have their own enterprise; if you are Cypriot they are the competition, they are the enemy, and by spending other-where, tourists can make a difference. I cannot imagine telling someone to visit Kyrenia, and to enjoy their vacation there without hesitation, because as Cyprus goes it is worth visiting. However, if i met a tourist going there i would suggest where their patronage can do some good, having been informed, allowing them to evaluate their experiences accordingly. Cypriots exist GIG, as Cypriots we should be willing to defend each other against this enemy among us.


How does this fit in with the idea of anything Cypriot actually existing as in my view equating being Cypriot with being Greek essentially denies the existence of Cypriots
But most of these foreign-born or returnee TCs wouldn't have a clue what being Cypriot is all about. Otherwise, they would be Greek.

This does of course come from someone who I suspect thinks the ROC should NOT exist.

I do BTW support any campaign which rails against illegal use of property where the real owners were forced out in the conflicts from say 1963 to 1974 - which extends to both sides of the Green Line - in the context that subject to certain very limited exceptions all such property should revert to the lawful owners or their heirs .

Whether use of such property in the North exposes Londoners to risks of e.g. Terrorism is another issue -
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