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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby Paphitis » Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:19 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Paphitis, I would advise you to avoid engaging with these two vitriolic trolls as they have trashed my original thread on this topic.


Archbishop Desmond Tutu on Monday joined over 230 academics from 111 universities in supporting the call for Greek islanders to be considered for this prestigious award.

Nobel Laureate Economist Sir Christopher Pisaridis, Professor Margaret MacMillan from Oxford University as well as Professor Anthony Giddens from the London School of Economics are among those who have signed the nomination.

The campaign called “Aegean Solidarity Movement” includes over 16 groups and individuals from 9 islands and was submitted to the Nobel Prize committee on Sunday, a day before nominations closed. It says, “the worst humanitarian crisis since World War II has been dealt with so far through the unprecedented, spontaneous mobilizations of ordinary, largely-anonymous people.”

In support of the campaign, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said, “The manner in which ordinary residents of the Greek Islands rallied to provide for an estimated 900,000 refugees last year was quite extraordinary. Just imagine 900,000 visitors in desperate need arriving at the door of your reasonably modest establishment. Hungry, exhausted and in a state of acute emotional distress... They don't speak the same language as you or ascribe to the same cultural or religious beliefs. What do you do? You open the door. Incredible!”


http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/on ... VYVni.dpuf


It's actually quite a huge achievement.

900,000 is a lot of people to go through the little island of Lesbos with only about 20,000 people living there.

Huge scale that is very hard to fathom. They opened the door and the other Schengen Countries who have apparently threatened Greece want to slam it shut.

Incredible!
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:06 pm

erolz66 wrote:What I have 'reservations' about is a thesis that says in this case the reason why these people behaved as they did was because they were Greek.


Tough!

You would be happy enough if Greeks are found "not fulfilling obligations". You have managed to fill pages and pages of posts that "criticize" Greeks/Greece. But, no, once a good word is said about Greeks, suddenly, you come up with 'it can't be because they are Greek'. Greeks only do *bad things* in your world of propaganda! :roll:

Frigging lying hypocrite!
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:53 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:You would be happy enough if Greeks are found "not fulfilling obligations". You have managed to fill pages and pages of posts that "criticize" Greeks/Greece. But, no, once a good word is said about Greeks, suddenly, you come up with 'it can't be because they are Greek'. Greeks only do *bad things* in your world of propaganda! :roll:

Frigging lying hypocrite!


Just more hate fuelled ranting and insults from you as far as I am concerned but I will not raise to the bait here in this particular thread, only to be accused later of derailing the thread.
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:14 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:You would be happy enough if Greeks are found "not fulfilling obligations". You have managed to fill pages and pages of posts that "criticize" Greeks/Greece. But, no, once a good word is said about Greeks, suddenly, you come up with 'it can't be because they are Greek'. Greeks only do *bad things* in your world of propaganda! :roll:

Frigging lying hypocrite!


Just more hate fuelled ranting and insults from you as far as I am concerned but I will not raise to the bait here in this particular thread, only to be accused later of derailing the thread.


Good. You're learning. No bait, just advice! Stay away if all you want to do is derail with propaganda. You will not be tolerated! You have been sussed.
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:21 pm

When the politicians fail, the ordinary people take charge. They are Greek - *sorry* to disappoint erolz.

Whilst Swedes, Germans etc slam their doors shut ....

The people of the eastern Aegean islands have seen their lives change dramatically over the last 12 months.

An unprecedented wave of refugees, many of them fleeing conflict in the Middle East, began engulfing their gardens and courtyards at the start of 2015.

The authorities were taken by surprise, leaving inhabitants and humanitarian organizations to take matters into their own hands. Facing daily, ongoing human dramas, a few thousand Greek islanders have been doing what they can for nearly 900,000 refugees.

A recent online petition has asked for the Nobel Peace Prize to be awarded to these “heroes of the Aegean”.

More than 629,000 people from around the world had signed the petition by February 2016, recognising the contribution of ordinary people in a crisis that even the world’s political powers have had great difficulty in handling.


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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Whilst Swedes, Germans etc slam their doors shut ....


And so here we see my problem, which is not with stories of compassion and kindness from Greeks, but with YOU and such stories. For you this is not about ordinary people showing extra ordinary compassion and kindness. It is not about refugees. It is about you constant propaganda 'Greece and Greeks are better than other people because they are Greek'. It is about your relentless 'some nationalities / ethnicities are good and others are bad' fanaticism. From those 8 lines above this is plain. You can not help yourself. Nor is it true. I could provide evidence, compelling, plentiful evidence that the claim that "Swedes, Germans etc slam their doors shut" where as 'Greeks show only compassion and sympathy' is patently not true but you have shown time and again that evidence is meaningless to you in the face of your racial based fanatical rantings. So what would be the point.
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:59 pm

Paphitis wrote:Here it is folks. Greece has achieved the truly remarkable.

Greek Islanders and fishermen will be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

This will be one of the most deserved Nobel Peace prize nominations in history, because in Lesbos we have seen real altruism, respect, and dignity from people who are on low incomes and even pensioners below the poverty line.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... eace-prize

Greece should have this in the bag, in order to give the Nobel Award some final credibility.


Ok suppose they get the Nobel Prize.
Who is going to get it?
We know part of it is some 1 million (?) US$.
Has there been another case in the past that a not clearly defined group of people got the Nobel?
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby erolz66 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:11 am

Pyrpolizer wrote: Ok suppose they get the Nobel Prize.
Who is going to get it?
We know part of it is some 1 million (?) US$.
Has there been another case in the past that a not clearly defined group of people got the Nobel?


Noble prizes are often awarded to multiple people and the prize money split between them, as in here for example from last year

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/ ... ates/2015/

but it has never been split between 100,s and thousands or more.
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby Sotos » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:18 am

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Whilst Swedes, Germans etc slam their doors shut ....


And so here we see my problem, which is not with stories of compassion and kindness from Greeks, but with YOU and such stories. For you this is not about ordinary people showing extra ordinary compassion and kindness. It is not about refugees. It is about you constant propaganda 'Greece and Greeks are better than other people because they are Greek'. It is about your relentless 'some nationalities / ethnicities are good and others are bad' fanaticism. From those 8 lines above this is plain. You can not help yourself. Nor is it true. I could provide evidence, compelling, plentiful evidence that the claim that "Swedes, Germans etc slam their doors shut" where as 'Greeks show only compassion and sympathy' is patently not true but you have shown time and again that evidence is meaningless to you in the face of your racial based fanatical rantings. So what would be the point.



This should go both ways then. For everything bad that happens in Greece or everything bad that some Greeks do, Greece should never be blamed as this would be racist since every other nation is doing (or is capable of doing under similar circumstances) just as bad. Clearly all people are genetically the same and any differences are due to the historical circumstances and the difference in the environment. Still, those historical circumstances and the environment is exactly what makes the Greeks being Greeks, the English being English and the Turks being Turks. Therefore it is not always illogical to say that somebody did something good or bad due partly to his nationality (i.e. the historical circumstances and the environment that affected their personality, values etc)
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Re: Greek islanders to be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Postby Sotos » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:29 am

and has to how Greece has managed to outdo all other members of Schengen...not applying the rules.


Not applying certain rules is something that many EU countries do on occasion... not a big deal at all when compared to the separate issue of saving people's lives. This whole issue was blown out of proportion by GiG and Erolz (GiG insisting to refuse that Greece would ever do anything against the rules and Erolz reacting as if this issue is a huge deal)
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