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Do you think the document below is a press release or a discussion document

Poll ended at Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:06 pm

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:35 pm

Ah, at last, Ray of sunshine, giG agree with something I said earlier, the key point being it is a PRESS RELEASE ... and it being about a discussion does NOT make it a Discussion paper (nor remove the criticism of Greece in it, ) or does that clear distinction still elude you?

Obviously from your last post the distinction does when you mendaciously describe this a some sort of discussion with the press when it is plain statement with no invitation scope for debate, just "this is what we (the Commission) are discussing".

However since we are in agreement at least at one level can you move to the next step and agree it was stated in the OFFICIAL EU PRESS RELEASE by Migration and Home Affairs Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos that
If we want to maintain our internal area of free movement, we must better manage our external borders. This means that we will only save Schengen by applying Schengen. The Commission continuously monitors the implementation of the Schengen rules in all Schengen Member States. The draft Schengen evaluation report on Greece looks at the management of the external border during an evaluation visit of Member States and Commission experts in Greece in November. The report shows that there are serious deficiencies in the management of the external border in Greece. We know that in the meantime Greece has started undertaking efforts towards rectifying and complying with the Schengen rules. Substantial improvements are needed to ensure the proper reception, registration, relocation or return of migrants in order to bring Schengen functioning back to normal, without internal border controls. This is our ultimate common goal."


and the OFFICIAL EU PRESS RELEASE GOES ON TO SAY

Whilst acknowledging that the Greek authorities are under pressure, the report notably finds that there is no effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases. On this basis, the draft report concludes that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.


So what Erolz Says about Greece been Criticized by the EU in a report (adopted on 2nd Feb as reported in a press release on 3rd) is true...? or is the the press release of 3rd Feb also some sort of Discussion document, albeit nothing left to discuss as the decisions then required had been taken?
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:40 pm

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Sotos wrote:Well that document is clearly not green ;) But the term "discussion" is in the title and should describe what the document is about. The term draft is also in the title. So my conclusion is that this issue is still open and no final decisions have been taken yet.


And your opinion on this one ?

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm


That's a later press release informing them of the adoption of the Schengen Evaluation and a proposal for Council recommendations. Still no sign of the EU Commission's actual report.

Following a positive opinion by the Schengen evaluation committee on Friday, the College of Commissioners has today adopted the Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and a proposal for a Council Recommendation on addressing the serious deficiencies identified in the evaluation report on the application of Schengen rules in the field of management of the external borders by Greece. The recommendations will be submitted to the Council for adoption.


Still not adopted and still no policy document for PUBLIC viewing with anything specifically for Greece to implement apart from the general rules.

Zilch about your 'expulsion' or 'sanctions'.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:41 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote: ... and it being about a discussion does NOT make it a Discussion paper (nor remove the criticism of Greece in it, ) or does that clear distinction still elude you?


Indeed and nor does it support the claim that the source is an "EU debate site" and "NOT the same as the EU Commission" :)
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:44 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Ah, at last, ....


There's so much wrong with all you've implied and spouted, having joined in a week later than erolz, that I'm going to leave you to trawl through previous posts if you have any serious intent about getting on the right track.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:09 pm

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby Sotos » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:44 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote:Well that document is clearly not green ;) But the term "discussion" is in the title and should describe what the document is about. The term draft is also in the title. So my conclusion is that this issue is still open and no final decisions have been taken yet.


And your opinion on this one ?

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm


I trust that the title should be an accurate summary: "Commission adopts Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and proposes recommendations to address deficiencies in external border management"! What is the disagreement on this one?
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:33 pm

Sotos wrote: I trust that the title should be an accurate summary: "Commission adopts Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and proposes recommendations to address deficiencies in external border management"! What is the disagreement on this one?


Oh an endless litany of GiGish. Starting with what the press release says the EU Commission are adopting is not what the press release says they are adopting (Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece) but in fact is in fact a document that the press release dose not say it is adopting (Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area) - through to the what the recommendations are about that the press release says are what the recommendations are about (addressing the serious deficiencies identified in the evaluation report, you know the one in the title about Greece) but are in (GiGland) fact "mostly proposals about more Frontex help. Nothing else! The EU Commission has not added anything different." and "general add ons they add for ALL countries and are NOT threats to Greece."

But that would just be scratching the surface to be honest. I kind of just prefer to laugh now. It is absurdity that moves into the surreal asfai am concerned.

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:48 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote: I trust that the title should be an accurate summary: "Commission adopts Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and proposes recommendations to address deficiencies in external border management"! What is the disagreement on this one?


Oh an endless litany of GiGish. Starting with what the press release says the EU Commission are adopting is not what the press release says they are adopting (Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece) but in fact is in fact a document that the press release dose not say it is adopting (Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area) - through to the what the recommendations are about that the press release says are what the recommendations are about (addressing the serious deficiencies identified in the evaluation report, you know the one in the title about Greece) but are in (GiGland) fact "mostly proposals about more Frontex help. Nothing else! The EU Commission has not added anything different." and "general add ons they add for ALL countries and are NOT threats to Greece."

But that would just be scratching the surface to be honest. I kind of just prefer to laugh now. It is absurdity that moves into the surreal asfai am concerned.

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You just look mad actually. :D [You're worrying too much over the pending "Turkey Files". :P They should make for a good discussion in the Press Room. )

Why don't you stop digging a bigger hole by spreading such lies and misquotes, there's a good, erm, madthing. You'd say anything to win over another friend, but Sotos isn't as stupid or as gullible as STUD, even if he doesn't have enough time to read all your stupidities.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:29 pm

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:42 pm

erolz66 wrote:http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus43551-80.html?#p835098


Thanks. If anyone can be bothered, they can see first hand how you distort!
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