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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:28 pm

Riddle me this

When does an EU Commission press release about their discussions of a Schengen evaluation report on Greece become

A press release for debate/discussion

answer: when a raving fantic without an ounce of integrity, honesty or shame wants it to be
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:59 pm

erolz66 wrote:Riddle me this

When does an EU Commission press release about their discussions of a Schengen evaluation report on Greece become

A press release for debate/discussion

answer: when a raving fantic without an ounce of integrity, honesty or shame wants it to be


Let me highlight the relevant words which identify this 'press release' and distinguish it from a POLICY DOCUMENT:

It states:

..... 'discusses/ discusses/ discussed' also then declares the following:

The draft report – which is not public – is based on


Here:


Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece

Brussels, 27 January 2016

Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece

The College of Commissioners has today, in view of the findings and their significance, taken note and discussed a draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece.

......


The draft report – which is not public – is based on


So, does the EU Commission operate by discussing its recommendations when it also says "The draft report – which is not public" or does it release 'some information' to the press (your link) for debate/discussion whilst it, the EU Commission, adopts resolutions/policy and then publishes these (later) as 'public' release (NOT your link)?

To an averagely intelligent person, a press release for discussion and a "draft report" that has NOT been made public does NOT issue the policies of the EU Commission that HAVE been adopted. They are released LATER. Hence using the term 'not public' in your link.

The actual Schengen Evaluation Report (discussed in the Press Release) is accessible as a hyperlink from the Press Release discussion and was dealt with separately. (But Erolz seems to have hyperlinked into a vacuum). It is a report on several countries and worth a read.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:25 pm

The EU Commission has a duty to produce biannual reports on the functioning of the Schengen area for the EU Council and the EU parliament. These are called 'biannual reports on the functioning of the Schengen area'. These are NOT Schengen evaluation reports as defined by the "Schengen evaluation mechanism"

The EU Commission also has a duty under the "Schengen evaluation mechanism" to ensure that "all Member States comply fully with the Schengen standards". It meets this duty by

  • Sending, either announced or unannounced, inspectors to a given country.
  • As a result of these visits a draft Schengen evaluation report on that country is produced
  • The EU Commission then either adopts that draft evaluation report on that country or it does not.
  • If it does adopt the Schengen Evaluation Report on that specific country it will make recommendations as to what needs to be done by the evaluated country to the EU Council for adoption.

Biannual reports on the functioning of the Schengen area, are NOT Schengen Evaluation reports on a given country, as defined by the "Schengen evaluation mechanism". They are NOT titled, called or referred to by anyone within EU institutions as Schengen evaluation reports. They are NOT used by the EU Commission to make recommendations to the EU Council. They ARE used to biannually update the EU Parliament and EU Council on the current status on the functioning of the Schengen area.

Schengen evaluation reports on an given country ARE Schengen Evaluation reports on a given country, as defined by the "Schengen evaluation mechanism". They ARE titled, called and referred to by everyone within EU institutions as Schengen evaluation reports. They ARE used as by the EU Commission to make recommendations to the EU Council.

To have systematically and relentlessly tried to argue that a biannual report on the function of the Schengen area is a Schengen evaluation report and it is the only report that the EU Commission uses or can use to make recommendations to the EU Council, despite this fallacy repeatedly being made clear, and to continue to claim this even now is imo the behaviour of a raving fantic without an ounce of integrity, honesty or shame
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:53 pm

Enough with your straw men and making stuff up. You reeeeeaallly have nothing else to do!

Of course there are more reports. That's what the EU does! But we were discussing ONE particular evaluation report - the one hyperlinked to the Press Release which was the one under discussion.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:29 pm

erolz66 wrote:
erolz66 wrote:Image


cyprus44522-30.html?#p835711


We know you just wrote the above now - it's there for us to see. But it has NOTHING to do with me and everything to do with the fact you spouted lies and then couldn't find an EU Commission report that stated what you lied about!

Why don't you copy and paste what the Schengen Evaluation report hyperlinked to the press release under discussion actually says about the different countries, huh?

I quoted an extract earlier -

cyprus43551-70.html

- but you don't seem to have anything else to do whilst waiting for your turkish files to come through ....
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:33 pm

I think your confusion comes from the layers of discussion, proposal, discussion, press release, discussion, drafts subtexts, reports (not public), discussion etc that the EU creates. It's too much for you and I can see why you have gone mad looking for something to back up your lies .....
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:34 pm

Riddle me this

when is a 'schengen evaluation report on Greece' that is explicitly referred to in both the title and body of an EU Commission press release NOT the evaluation report that that press release is about, or the one that we are talking about as a result of that press release ?

When does a general 'biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area' that is not a Schengen evaluation report, that is NOT referred to in the title of the EU Commission press release, that pre dates the visits that led to the production of the "Schengen evaluation report on Greece" that IS the one in the title of the press release become

the ONE particular evaluation report under discussion ?

answer: when a raving fantic without an ounce of integrity, honesty or shame wants it to be

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:58 pm

erolz66 wrote:answer: when a raving fantic without an ounce of integrity, honesty or shame wants it to be


That descibes you perfectly.

Scroll down here:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-174_en.htm

The report under discussion is hyperlinked (in blue) in the press release like this:

Following each visit, a report is drawn up identifying any shortcomings and making recommendations for remedial action, with a deadline for their implementation. The recommendations are submitted by the Commission to the Council for adoption. As a follow-up, the Member State in question is required to submit an action plan setting out how it intends to remedy the weaknesses identified. Member States can be assisted in fulfilling the recommendations via practical and/or financial measures from the Commission, Frontex or other EU bodies.
The Eighth bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area of 15 December 2015 already announced that, depending on the results of the Schengen evaluations in Greece, specific measures as referred to in Article 19a and 26 of the Schengen Borders Code may be recommended.


Now, WHY are you avoiding copy-pasting the sections 'criticizing/evaluating' various countries, including Greece?
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:17 pm

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that was titled "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" and following adoption of it by the EU Commission is now titled "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece"

FACT - The EU Commission press releases here and here are about one of these two documents

I maintain that the document that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are about is the document those press releases say they are about and are explicitly named as such in the both the title and body of those press releases, as the "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the first and as the "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the second.

Other parties maintain that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are about the document they do not say they are about, that is NOT in the title of those press releases and that itself is not titled as an Evaluation report and is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - One of us is wrong.

I maintain that the other party is wrong, not because of failure to understand, not because of disagreement about opinions and perspective but wrong in fact and what is more they know they are wrong in fact and continue to make these assertions - which is the definition of lying.
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