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Press release or discussion document.

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Do you think the document below is a press release or a discussion document

Poll ended at Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:06 pm

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Discussion document
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:34 pm

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-174_en.htm

The report under discussion is hyperlinked (in blue) in the press release like this:

Following each visit, a report is drawn up identifying any shortcomings and making recommendations for remedial action, with a deadline for their implementation. The recommendations are submitted by the Commission to the Council for adoption. As a follow-up, the Member State in question is required to submit an action plan setting out how it intends to remedy the weaknesses identified. Member States can be assisted in fulfilling the recommendations via practical and/or financial measures from the Commission, Frontex or other EU bodies.
The Eighth bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area of 15 December 2015 already announced that, depending on the results of the Schengen evaluations in Greece, specific measures as referred to in Article 19a and 26 of the Schengen Borders Code may be recommended.


Now, WHY are you avoiding copy-pasting the sections 'criticizing/evaluating' various countries, including Greece?
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:39 pm

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that was titled "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" and following adoption of it by the EU Commission is now titled "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece"

FACT - The EU Commission press releases here and here are primarily and predominately about one of these two documents

I maintain that the document that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are primarily and predominately about is the document those press releases say they are about and are explicitly named as such in the both the title and body of those press releases, as the "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the first and as the "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the second.

Other parties maintain that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are about the document they do not say they are about, that is NOT in the title of those press releases and that itself is not titled as an Evaluation report and is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - One of us is wrong.

I maintain that the other party is wrong, not because of failure to understand, not because of disagreement about opinions and perspective but wrong in fact and what is more they know they are wrong in fact and continue to make these assertions - which is the definition of lying.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:54 pm

gIGglegirl wrote:So, does the EU Commission operate by discussing its recommendations when it also says "The draft report – which is not public" or does it release 'some information' to the press (your link) for debate/discussion whilst it, the EU Commission, adopts resolutions/policy and then publishes these (later) as 'public' release (NOT your link)?


The EU Commission operates (at least in part) by discussing reports prepared for it, where the reports they are discussing may not be public, but the existence of discussions may be public, and then decisions may be made accordingly, and from time time it issues Press releases for information but NOT for discussion about the discussions under way and the decisions reached.

To an averagely intelligent person, a press release for discussion and a "draft report" that has NOT been made public does NOT issue the policies of the EU Commission that HAVE been adopted. They are released LATER. Hence using the term 'not public' in your link.


But the the press release is NOT FOR DISCUSSION, ONLY INFORMATION, which as you are plainly not an averagely intelligent person you do not seem to recognise, but rather play YOUR usual games of distortion and lying to try to make the facts about what the Press release is fit your fictional world.

In that respect pray tell me, in a document headed press release, where in it is there any mechanism set out to discuss or comment on the press release, let alone the topic which the EU Commision is debating, and which PRESS RELEASE is NOT a Discussion document, even where it may use the word discussion in several times, but on its own terms is only press release, ie for information?
Otherwise does the Newsroom of the EU issue policy documents for discussion, as opposed to simply report on what is being done by the actual policy/decision making bodies under the instruction of those bodies?

Here is what it does
About this site
The EU Newsroom is the official news website of the institutions of the European Union. It provides online access to the latest official press material released by all EU institutions, as well as practical information for journalists.


The actual Schengen Evaluation Report (discussed in the Press Release) is accessible as a hyperlink from the Press Release discussion and was dealt with separately. (But Erolz seems to have hyperlinked into a vacuum). It is a report on several countries and worth a read.


I have quoted what was said on Greece. However as I have pointed out, the 8th Biennial report you are relying issued 15th Jan 2016 (a) is NOT an evaluation report on Greece per se but a general summary with comments on many aspects in all parts of the EU and which refers to Evaluation reports on individual countries made under the evaluation mechanism. The comments made about Greece were superseded and/or supplemented by the later discussions on the Evaluation report on Greece, reported on by Press releases on 27th Jan and 3rd Feb. That document is thus out of date as far as Greece is concerned.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:06 pm

erolz66 wrote:FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that was titled "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" and following adoption of it by the EU Commission is now titled "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece"

FACT - The EU Commission press releases here and here are primarily and predominately about one of these two documents

I maintain that the document that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are primarily and predominately about is the document those press releases say they are about and are explicitly named as such in the both the title and body of those press releases, as the "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the first and as the "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the second.

Other parties maintain that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are about the document they do not say they are about, that is NOT in the title of those press releases and that itself is not titled as an Evaluation report and is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - One of us is wrong.

I maintain that the other party is wrong, not because of failure to understand, not because of disagreement about opinions and perspective but wrong in fact and what is more they know they are wrong in fact and continue to make these assertions - which is the definition of lying.



Here is link to a Document which explains the process and what an evaluation is: http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-migration/background-information/docs/the_schengen_rules_explained_20160210_en.pdf - which I hope is simple enough for everyone to understand - and how this cconfirms what Erolz and I are saying about how the process works.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:16 pm

Now, WHY are you avoiding copy-pasting the sections 'criticizing/evaluating' various countries, including Greece? :D

This is the linked Schengen Evaluation report in the press release discussion that STUD is confused about since it mentions it is both a Press Release (usual) and for discussion!

It evaluates some of the Schengen countries including Greece. :D

What is it about this report that you are now avoiding?
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:23 pm

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - There exists a document produced by the EU Commission that was titled "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" and following adoption of it by the EU Commission is now titled "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece"

FACT - The EU Commission press releases here and here are primarily and predominately about one of these two documents

I maintain that the document that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are primarily and predominately about is the document those press releases say they are about and are explicitly named as such in the both the title and body of those press releases, as the "draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the first and as the "Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece" in the second.

Other parties maintain that the EU Commission Press releases here and here are about the document they do not say they are about, that is NOT in the title of those press releases and that itself is not titled as an Evaluation report and is titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"

FACT - One of us is wrong.

I maintain that the other party is wrong, not because of failure to understand, not because of disagreement about opinions and perspective but wrong in fact and what is more they know they are wrong in fact and continue to make these assertions - which is the definition of lying.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:38 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Now, WHY are you avoiding copy-pasting the sections 'criticizing/evaluating' various countries, including Greece? :D

This is the linked Schengen Evaluation report in the press release discussion that STUD is confused about since it mentions it is both a Press Release (usual) and for discussion!

It evaluates some of the Schengen countries including Greece. :D

What is it about this report that you are now avoiding?


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I have asked you before and i ask you agsin identify where in the press release it invites discussion by the readers of the press release, when as a press release for information only it only reports on discussions. I ask you Please do so by full analysis of the document and compltete sentences/paragraphs and not by your previous grossly dishonest trick of simply quoting out of context the single word discussion. It wont wash.
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