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Do you think the document below is a press release or a discussion document

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Press release or discussion document.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:06 pm

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:29 pm

Why didn't you reveal voter nicks? Let me guess - you and erolz! :lol:

This is the document used by Erolz as "evidence" that the EU Commission threatened sanctions when he couldn't actually find anything authentic (guess why? He lied!)

Let me highlight the relevant words which identify this 'press release' and distinguish it from a POLICY DOCUMENT:

It states:

..... 'discusses/ discusses/ discussed' also then declares the following:

The draft report – which is not public – is based on


Here:


Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece

Brussels, 27 January 2016

Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece

The College of Commissioners has today, in view of the findings and their significance, taken note and discussed a draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece.

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The draft report – which is not public – is based on u


So, does the EU Commission operate by discussing its recommendations when it also says "The draft report – which is not public" or does it release 'some information' to the press (your link) for debate/discussion whilst it, the EU Commission, adopts resolutions/policy and then publishes these (later) as 'public' release (NOT your link)?

To an averagely intelligent person, a press release for discussion and a "draft report" that has NOT been made public does NOT issue the policies of the EU Commission that HAVE been adopted. They are released LATER. Hence using the term 'not public' in your link. This didn't stop Erolz, however, putting words in their mouths! For which you were suitably exposed!


This is my last attempt to educate you two trolls!
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:48 pm

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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:19 pm

Once again gIGgle girl is making me laugh in her pathetic attempts to dress up a press release as a discussion document.

gIG: I will repeat what I said elsewhere:

This is the position . The EU has commissioned a report which according to the press release of 27th Jan , not a discussion document, identified serious violations by Greece. The press report then reported that the relevant EU body was discussing the report.



As an aside The Press release quotes Migration and Home Affairs Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos (nowhere is he from who said:
"If we want to maintain our internal area of free movement, we must better manage our external borders. This means that we will only save Schengen by applying Schengen. The Commission continuously monitors the implementation of the Schengen rules in all Schengen Member States. The draft Schengen evaluation report on Greece looks at the management of the external border during an evaluation visit of Member States and Commission experts in Greece in November. The report shows that there are serious deficiencies in the management of the external border in Greece. We know that in the meantime Greece has started undertaking efforts towards rectifying and complying with the Schengen rules. Substantial improvements are needed to ensure the proper reception, registration, relocation or return of migrants in order to bring Schengen functioning back to normal, without internal border controls. This is our ultimate common goal."


the OPfficial EU PRESS RELEASE then says
Whilst acknowledging that the Greek authorities are under pressure, the report notably finds that there is no effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases. On this basis, the draft report concludes that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.


Now as I said
.it may contain the word discuss or variations thereof but despite your increasingly desperate howls to the contrary, the use if the word discussion in a press release does not make a press release a discussion document. Only in your deluded mind is it a discussion document.

For a start, by whom and with whom is one meant to and by what means does one discuss it.

On any terms it is a press release, describing discussions. repeat, ad escription of discussions does not make it a discussion document.

LOOK AT THE TOP, FFS IT SAYS PRESS RELEASE IN THE URL, THE SITE BANNER AND THE HEADING.

Then On 3rd Feb, after the relevant EU body had discussed the report a further press release was issued stating that the report, which reported the violations, had been adopted.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby Sotos » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:31 pm

Its an image... screenshot from an iPad... WiFi reception at the time: average... taken at: 10:39... battery level: 77%... can't answer your poll because the depicted document is a press release about a discussion.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:45 pm

Sotos wrote:... can't answer your poll because the depicted document is a press release about a discussion.


Image

:)

example of a 'discussion document'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_paper

A green paper released by the European Commission is a discussion document intended to stimulate debate and launch a process of consultation, at European level, on a particular topic. A green paper usually presents a range of ideas and is meant to invite interested individuals or organizations to contribute views and information.


I would, with respect, suggest that is a better definition of 'discussion document' than 'any document that has the word discussion in it'. ;)
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby Sotos » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:19 pm

Well that document is clearly not green ;) But the term "discussion" is in the title and should describe what the document is about. The term draft is also in the title. So my conclusion is that this issue is still open and no final decisions have been taken yet.
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:20 pm

Sotos wrote:Its an image... screenshot from an iPad... WiFi reception at the time: average... taken at: 10:39... battery level: 77%... can't answer your poll because the depicted document is a press release about a discussion.


The voice of reason. That's exactly what it is. :D
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:25 pm

Sotos wrote:Well that document is clearly not green ;) But the term "discussion" is in the title and should describe what the document is about. The term draft is also in the title. So my conclusion is that this issue is still open and no final decisions have been taken yet.


And your opinion on this one ?

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm
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Re: Press release or discussion document.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:28 pm

Sotos wrote:Well that document is clearly not green ;) But the term "discussion" is in the title and should describe what the document is about. The term draft is also in the title. So my conclusion is that this issue is still open and no final decisions have been taken yet.


The report has not been made public. It says so right there in the discussion they're having in the Press Room! :D

Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece
Brussels, 27 January 2016
Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece
The College of Commissioners has today, in view of the findings and their significance, taken note and discussed a draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece.
......

The draft report – which is not public – ....


Since the Commissioners' report is NOT PUBLIC they aren't revealing anything significant in this discussion with the Press.
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