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Do you think the EU Commission press release here is


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solely about the document titled "draft schengen evaluation report on Greece"
1
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primarily and predominantly about the document titled "draft schengen evaluation report on Greece"
1
50%
 
erolz66
solely about the document titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"
0
No votes
 
primarily and predominantly about the document titled "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area"
0
No votes
 
 
Total votes : 2

Yet another poll !

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:01 pm

EU Commission press release here
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:04 pm

erolz66 wrote:EU Commission press release here


And a link to an Official EU Fact Sheet (NOT a Discussion document) on (inter alia) how the Schengen Evaluation process works - issued today

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-migration/background-information/docs/the_schengen_rules_explained_20160210_en.pdf
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:21 pm

:lol:

You are BOTH sooooooooo confused and have way toooooooooooooooooooo much time to waste! :lol:

Still waiting nervously for your Turkey files, eh? :P
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby Sotos » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:40 pm

How much will you pay me to bother to read it and give you my opinion ;) Sorry... but this is not an issue that I care about. I can only bother to read the title so I guess it should be either 1 or 2 ... or the person who choose the title screwed up!
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby erolz66 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:41 am

Sotos wrote:Sorry... but this is not an issue that I care about. I can only bother to read the title so I guess it should be either 1 or 2 ... or the person who choose the title screwed up!


Of course, even if you only read the title, it is clear that the answer has to be 1 or 2. I totally understand why you (and so many others) as someone who has not been in this 'argument' about an issue that you do not care has not voted.

Just as I understand why the person who HAS been in this argument and has relentlessly and repeatedly claimed either directly or indirectly that the press release is about the "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area" as they did


here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here

will not answer this simple straight forward question in this poll. They will not answer it because they can not. Not with out clearly exposing their systematic distortion. This single distortion repeated in every one of the 15 posts listed above in one form or another, is the basis for subsequent repeated distortions of the type 'the EU Commission has not criticised Greece' and the 'EU Commission has criticised Sweden more that it has Greece' and on and on. A vast part of the whole pack of cards of this persons relentless distortions is based on the foundation of this single one. It is not the only distortion, not by a long shot, but it is the one that it has been possible, through tedious effort, to distil down and make clear in this single self contained simple poll. This is why the person concerned will not answer the poll, can not answer the poll.

That I have doggedly and stubbornly gone to such lengths to try my best to lay bare this one distortion, is nothing to do with this issue specifically. It is nothing to do with what this person says in general. Nor is it to do with what they are, Greek or GC or whatever. It is to do with highlighting a systematic pattern of behaviour here that has been consistent for years and years. It is not about the what, the why, the who it is all about the how and the sheer amount of time this same 'how' has been and is used by this person. It is not just the systematic distortion and the sheer intellectual dishonesty inherent in them. Along with the distortions there is also the systematic attacks on anyone who dares to challenge this person. Not just me but anyone. The more doggedly anyone does so, the more they use reason and logic and evidence to do so , then the more this personal will respond with insults and attacks and accusations of distortion and liar against that person.

This way of behaving carried out as it has been by this person so systematically for so long disgusts me. There is no better word for it. It disgust me to an extent that I will not, indeed can not just ignore it. It disgusts me in a similar manner as systematic needless cruelty to an animal would disgust me. I will not just ignore it. I can not just ignore it.

This person will not vote in this poll. This person can not vote in this poll. With a great degree of certainty I can say what this person will do. They will respond with insults. They will try and ignore and / or distract from and /or distort this poll, despite its plain simplicity and it being self contained. I can say with this with a great degree of certainty because this is what this person does here on this forum, what they have always done here on this forum.
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:12 pm

Today (12th feb 16) the EU Council adopted the the recommendations of the EU Commission that were made as a result of the conclusions of the Schengen evaluation report on Greece Starting, thus starting the three month 'timer' for Greece to rectify the reported deficiencies by implementing the recommendations

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press ... of-greece/

Background
On 2 February 2016 the Commission adopted the Schengen evaluation report on Greece and submitted to the Council a recommendation to address specific deficiencies in the external border management.

The report was carried out following an unannounced on-site evaluation visit to Greek sea border sites (Chios and Samos Islands) and land border sites (Orestiada, Fylakio, Kastanies, Nea Vyssa) from 10 to 13 November 2015.


This shows I suggest with absolute undeniable certainty that the report that the two previous EU Comission press releases were abou and the report that was used to make these recommendations was in fact the "schengen evaluation report on Greece" and was NOT the "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area" as GiG claimed. Claimed repeatedly and one only has to look at the the 15 examples in the post above to see how this was done.

So I am calling you out GiG. Can you show that actually I am not right about you, show that you can admit you were wrong in the face of such overwhelming evidence that shows you were ? On this one point alone as to which was the 'relevant' document. If you can, then I will not push 'how' you argued the opposite, push how many other things you based on this one fallacy and will in fact 'ease off' in challenging your behaviour. This is in fact a kind of 'olive branch' believe it or not.

If you show yourself incapable of ever admitting you were wrong about anything, even in the face of overwhelming hard factual evidence, as I suspect you will - well then you just prove that what I have said about you is true. That truth, reality - these things are simply meaningless to you. All there is for you here on this forum is what YOU say is truth, you say is reality and there ie literally no evidence in the world that can change that.

What is to be GiG ? Will you just ignore this 'challenge' and carry on exactly the same as I claim you always have ?
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:30 am

Still plugging your outdated nonsense, I see! :lol: :lol: :lol: So you can now finally accept the old press report was just a discussion and NOT the EU policy document!

Regardless, it's now old news that is irrelevant in view of the fact NATO are helping Frontex with the external EU borders' 'specific deficiencies'! As I said, they were only ever going to give Greece more help, fool.

P.S. No sign that your lies about the EU Commission sanctioning Greece are likely to materialize, huh. Lying git! :P
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby erolz66 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:55 am

So clearly I am right about you. quelle surprise.

How about you stop trying to distract, distort and divert (after being forced to abandon ignore) and address the single simple straight forward question in the poll.

Was the EU Commission press release here about the schengen evaluation report on Greece or was it about the Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area

Of course you will not answer this simple plain straight forward question. Can not, for the reason I have explained above. You have done exactly what I predicted you would.

They [GiG] will respond with insults. They will try and ignore and / or distract from and /or distort this poll, despite its plain simplicity and it being self contained. I can say with this with a great degree of certainty because this is what this person does here on this forum, what they have always done here on this forum.


and you confirm once again that

your[self] [are] incapable of ever admitting you were wrong about anything, even in the face of overwhelming hard factual evidence .... [and] you just prove that what I have said about you is true. That truth, reality - these things are simply meaningless to you.


What was that self congratulating termed you used before ? Oh yes. Checkmate !
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:59 am

erolz66 wrote:So clearly I am right about you. quelle surprise.


If all you care about is me and not the news, you are a sad git! :P

Are you now going to start another poll to say your previous poll was wrong and it was a discussion after all because now there is a *report* even if it is irrelevant and outdated because the extra help identified as necessary at the external border is now being met not only with extra Frontex as I predicted but also NATO! :lol:

P.S. Where are those sanctions against Greece you promised the EU Commission was threatening Greece with, huh?

Bit too busy with the big guns now ...
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Re: Yet another poll !

Postby erolz66 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:08 am

Why will you not answer the single simple plain question GiG ?

You could show anyone this single poll / thread alone, someone with no knowledge of this forum or of you or of me and they would be able to see what you are 'all about' GiG.
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