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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:51 am

Again, ironically, Greece has only lately become an 'unsafe' place for migrants/refugees simply because there are so many of them arriving on its shores.

There are so many refugees landing in Greece, that it is no longer a safe and comfortable place for any more refugees to be deliberately replaced there.

As much as the enemies of Greece, such as stud and erolz, would like to misrepresent Greece as being inherently unsafe - it's just not true. Its life expectancy is still one of the most enviable.

But the opportunist will twist and distort every single matter and turn it against Greece and its people. Even the otherwise positive point of a nomination to the Nobel committee. :roll:
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:37 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Again, ironically, Greece has only lately become an 'unsafe' place for migrants/refugees simply because there are so many of them arriving on its shores.


Back in the real world the ECHR and ECJ judgements that led to the suspension of all such transfer to Greece by all EU members was back in 2011. Ironically it is likely this suspension will finally get removed in the coming months at the height of the current crisis, due to the work by Greece and the EU to improve the situation since 2011 and now.
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:16 pm

And back in the non hate-filled world (lacking an erolz), the only reason suddenly Greece will become a 'safe' place is that Merkel has had enough refugee-arrivals to fill her BMW factories for the next 10 years.

And yes, refugees and migrants have been arriving in Greece for well over a decade! Not just since 2011.

After the fall of communism throughout Eastern Europe in the late 1980s and early 1990s, a large number of economic refugees and immigrants from Greece's neighboring countries, Albania, Bulgaria, the Republic of Macedonia, Romania, as well as from more distant countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Armenia and Georgia, arrived in Greece, mostly as illegal immigrants, to seek employment. The vast majority of Albanians in Greece is estimated to be between 60-65% of the total number of immigrants in Greece. According to official data (2008), there are 459,390[1] holders of Albanian citizenship in Greece.
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:36 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:And yes, refugees and migrants have been arriving in Greece for well over a decade! Not just since 2011.


And the judgements by the ECHR and ECJ made IN 2011 were based on evidence as to the state of asylum in Greece BEFORE 2011, reports from multiple credible sources showing systemic failures over many years. all before 2011. Which is why your claim that

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece has only lately become an 'unsafe' place for migrants/refugees simply because there are so many of them arriving on its shores.


Is just yet one more example in an never ending list of examples as to how you will and do just shamelessly distort to suit your agenda and then launch vicious attacks on anyone who dares to point this out and whilst just repeating the same original distortion over and over relentlessly and regardless of any and all evidence to the contrary. As is so clearly documented here for example.
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:51 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:And yes, refugees and migrants have been arriving in Greece for well over a decade! Not just since 2011.


And the judgements by the ECHR and ECJ made IN 2011 were based on evidence as to the state of asylum in Greece BEFORE 2011, reports from multiple credible sources showing systemic failures over many years. all before 2011. Which is why your claim that

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece has only lately become an 'unsafe' place for migrants/refugees simply because there are so many of them arriving on its shores.


Is just yet one more example in an never ending list of examples as to how you will and do just shamelessly distort to suit your agenda and then launch vicious attacks on anyone who dares to point this out and whilst just repeating the same original distortion over and over relentlessly and regardless of any and all evidence to the contrary. As is so clearly documented here for example.


Do you realise there is NOTHING of substance as a counter-argument to what I wrote other than a vitriolic attack on me? What utter time-wasting nonsense you do spout and then you wonder why I minimize answering you. :roll:

Of course - you would only be happy if someone said Greece has been unsafe since at least the time of Socrates! And then you would argue if I said Greeks existed since before the time of Socrates you would scream that I must include them too!
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:16 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Do you realise there is NOTHING of substance as a counter-argument to what I wrote


I realise that you can and not doubt will argue about what you meant by "lately" and could and would argue , if it suits you, that lately means since 1980, or 1400 or 2000 bc as necessary.

Just as I realise what your intent was, what impression your were hoping to create, when you posted

Greece has only lately become an 'unsafe' place for migrants/refugees simply because there are so many of them arriving on its shores.
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:29 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Do you realise there is NOTHING of substance as a counter-argument to what I wrote


I realise that you can and not doubt will argue about what you meant by "lately" and could and would argue , if it suits you, that lately means since 1980, or 1400 or 2000 bc as necessary.

Just as I realise what your intent was, what impression your were hoping to create, when you posted

Greece has only lately become an 'unsafe' place for migrants/refugees simply because there are so many of them arriving on its shores.


And what impression are YOU trying to create, erolz?

That Greece is evil bad and unsafe and has always been so? Idiot! :roll:

How true and real or accurate are ANY of your assertions and claims?

So far - NONE!!!

You rely on repetitious irrelevant self-made *points* that have NOTHING to do with the reality on the ground.

Greece is not unsafe! Greece is termed 'unsafe' for a specific set of reasons, when and if it suits those who open and shut the doorways of Europe. It is a relative measure for immigration control and is unfortunately only used as a propaganda tool by idiots such as you who do NOT understand the workings of the EU.

Carry on equating yourself with the uneducated fools you seek to inspire and convert ....
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:39 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:And what impression are YOU trying to create, erolz?


I raised the ECHR and ECJ judgements as apart of an adult discussion with Paphitis to support my view that the EU needs agreement and co operation from Turkey to be able to return people there. I gave details of those judgements and the specifics of what kind of things they found were deficient only when requested to do. I pointed out the time those judgements were made and the period that the evidence that was used to make the judgement covered only in response to your attempts to try and make out any failings were merely the result of unprecedented numbers , like those in 2014 to a degree and much more so in 2015.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:That Greece is evil bad and unsafe and has always been so? Idiot! :roll:


Try using a mirror and put Turkey in place of Greece, then look up the word hypocrite.
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:18 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:That Greece is evil bad and unsafe and has always been so? Idiot! :roll:


Try using a mirror and put Turkey in place of Greece, then look up the word hypocrite.


X doesn't equal Y.

That you would seriously try and equate Greece with Turkey is a measure only of the degree of ignorance you possess!

But, I'll give you this much - you must love Turkey very much to come here and attempt such an unlikely proposition ... :wink:
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Re: NATO to stop shameless threats by Turkey.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:26 pm

erolz66 wrote:... I pointed out the time those judgements were made and the period that the evidence that was used to make the judgement covered only in response to your attempts to try and make out any failings were merely the result of unprecedented numbers , like those in 2014 to a degree and much more so in 2015.


My view has been that Greece has been inundated with immigrants for decades - I gave you the data for Albanians. It is you in fact who doesn't seem to understand.

I had also quoted the judge whose views indeed centered on the fact that any such failings could NOT be detached from "the disproportionate burden that falls to the Greek immigration authorities."

European Union immigration policy, including the Dublin Regulation does not reflect the present realities or do justice to the disproportionate burden that falls to the Greek immigration authorities. He states there is a clear need for a comprehensive reconsideration of the existing European Legal Regime, which should take into account the particular needs & constraints of Greece.


You really are a nasty piece of work.
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