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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:55 pm

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Look at some salient points from the following report about what the Assad regime is doing to Syrian Christians.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/%20...%20christians


I think you will find that this group is an extreme right wing anti-Muslim outfit with dubious sources of funding ..........

The family of Gatestone’s founder and president, Nina Rosenwald has long pumped millions of dollars into this anti-Muslim network, through various trusts and foundations including the Abstraction Fund, discussed shortly. For this reason, Rosenwald herself has been dubbed, by journalist Max Blumenthal, ‘the sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate’.

Blumenthal notes that Gatestone emerged in 2011 as an offshoot of the right wing Hudson Institute. Since then it has become a hub for anti-Muslim ideologues of all hues; neoconservative, ultra-Zionist and so-called ‘counterjihad’. It has acted as a clearing-house, for example, for claims about Muslim ‘no-go zones’ (the likes of which ‘terrorism expert’ Steven Emerson was widely ridiculed for, including by UK Prime Minister David Cameron). Its articles carry fear-mongering titles such as: ‘‘Spain: Soon the Muslims will be kings of the world’, ‘Britain’s Islamic future’, ’The Islamization of France’, ‘The Islamization of Germany’ and ‘The Islamization of Belgium and the Netherlands’.


The stories may well contain truth but the circumstances of these incidents, is not mentioned so they have to be seen as being out of context. Similar to the recent bombing of an MSF hospital, claimed by coalition sources as a deliberate attack by Russian aircraft, which is likely correct.

What was NOT mentioned was that MSF made a decision not to follow agreed protocol and did not to give the coordinates of this unit, that was well within rebel held territory, to either Syria or Russia! So they would have had no idea that a complex they had observed with military vehicles and camouflage figures going in and out and assumed to be a military complex, was in reality a medical facility. This has been confirmed by MSF themselves.

Gatestone institute.......... Is a notorious Islamophobic think tank inspiring more Far-Right terrorism.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/notorious-islamophobic-think-tank-inspiring-more-far-right-terrorism


Personally I have never heard of them which is why I decided to find out more. The fact they have serious funding says they also have an agenda which means the claims are not reliable. :?
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:20 pm

Paphitis:
This is where you and I differ.

This is the real news! The real pulse of the war.

Reading real stories about Martyrs, seeing real photos of American A-10 Thunderbolt attacking ground targets, seeing the schools and hospitals being bombed by the regime, the barrel bombs and anything else they put up there.

This man is relating a journey and the observations he made. He is not some idealist with an iPhone. THIS is the real news .... the reality ..... a first hand account by a journalist with a long association with this country, its people, its culture and this conflict.

And btw RH.You don't find it significant that there are thousands of Christians, Armenians, Druze fighting with the rebels or it that it doesn't fit your propaganda or agenda? Is it not news for you if you genuinely did not know, which I seriously doubt?

Do you not find it significant that 1 Million Syrians have returned to their homes in the liberated areas? Areas liberated from your FSA/moderates as well as ISIS and all of which are now government controlled. Surely if Assad was such a bogey man as you believe they would have waited until your coalition achieved is primary aim of regime change and Assad was no more? As I said previously, the majority of Syrians would prefer the Assad regime to the prospect of the Sharia Islamic regime your coalition appears to favour for some obscure reason. :roll:
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:33 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Look at some salient points from the following report about what the Assad regime is doing to Syrian Christians.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/ ... christians

Syrian dictator Bashar Assad's security forces last week killed Husam al Murra, a Syrian Christian who had joined the Syrian Free Army, which is fighting to topple the regime in Damascus.

In recent weeks, several other Christian men have been shot and killed in different parts of the country. One of the victims was a priest from the city of Hama, who was killed while trying to provide humanitarian and medical aid to people injured by Syrian army gunfire.

According to a Christian lawyer in Damascus, Assad's security forces have also begun targeting churches, monasteries and schools under the pretext that they were being used as hideouts for "armed gangs."

An Italian priest who had been living in Syria for the past two decades was asked to leave the country after he voiced public support for the Syrian people's struggle for reform and democracy.

Mmmm. Are you really sure that Assad is such a jolly nice fellow after all? Can Putin really have become the devout Orthodox Christian he claims to have done if he is supporting a leader who oppresses Orthodox Christians in his own country?


People can't handle the truth. Because of the Assad regime's treatment of Christians, the Free Syrian Army has been able to recruit many Christian rebels. Armenian, Greek, Druze, Yazidi and more.

Yes that's right, the FSA has whole Christian units within its ranks, even Orthodox Greek and Armenian all fighting the regime and supported by the coalition.

There are also Kurdish and Assyrian Groups with the SDF.
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:36 am

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
This is where you and I differ.

This is the real news! The real pulse of the war.

Reading real stories about Martyrs, seeing real photos of American A-10 Thunderbolt attacking ground targets, seeing the schools and hospitals being bombed by the regime, the barrel bombs and anything else they put up there.

This man is relating a journey and the observations he made. He is not some idealist with an iPhone. THIS is the real news .... the reality ..... a first hand account by a journalist with a long association with this country, its people, its culture and this conflict.

And btw RH.You don't find it significant that there are thousands of Christians, Armenians, Druze fighting with the rebels or it that it doesn't fit your propaganda or agenda? Is it not news for you if you genuinely did not know, which I seriously doubt?

Do you not find it significant that 1 Million Syrians have returned to their homes in the liberated areas? Areas liberated from your FSA/moderates as well as ISIS and all of which are now government controlled. Surely if Assad was such a bogey man as you believe they would have waited until your coalition achieved is primary aim of regime change and Assad was no more? As I said previously, the majority of Syrians would prefer the Assad regime to the prospect of the Sharia Islamic regime your coalition appears to favour for some obscure reason. :roll:


No I don't find it significant and nor do I believe that 1 million Syrian refugees have returned to Syria. You are the expert in manipulations.

What I find significant is how minorities have united against Assad - Assyrians, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Coptic Christians, Catholics, Sunni moderates and secularists, Yazidi, Turkmen and Druze.

Everyone wants a piece of Assad and that is our biggest weapon since it makes Assad a dead donkey.
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Kikapu » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:01 am

Paphitis wrote:
People can't handle the truth. Because of the Assad regime's treatment of Christians, the Free Syrian Army has been able to recruit many Christian rebels. Armenian, Greek, Druze, Yazidi and more.

Yes that's right, the FSA has whole Christian units within its ranks, even Orthodox Greek and Armenian all fighting the regime and supported by the coalition.

There are also Kurdish and Assyrian Groups with the SDF.


Mercenaries come from all walks of life, including those foreign fighters coming in from outside Syria. They are fighting for the money they get and not for any ideology, hence the reason why you have so many different types of people fighting the Syrian government and that's the reason why the Syrians and Russians don't care killing these people, because they are all seen as terrorists.
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:23 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
People can't handle the truth. Because of the Assad regime's treatment of Christians, the Free Syrian Army has been able to recruit many Christian rebels. Armenian, Greek, Druze, Yazidi and more.

Yes that's right, the FSA has whole Christian units within its ranks, even Orthodox Greek and Armenian all fighting the regime and supported by the coalition.

There are also Kurdish and Assyrian Groups with the SDF.


Mercenaries come from all walks of life, including those foreign fighters coming in from outside Syria. They are fighting for the money they get and not for any ideology, hence the reason why you have so many different types of people fighting the Syrian government and that's the reason why the Syrians and Russians don't care killing these people, because they are all seen as terrorists.


Mercenaries? Are you talking about Hezbollah Mercenaries from Lebanon and Iran?

The Christians fighting in Aleppo, Druze, Turkmen, Yazidi, Kurds and Assyrians are no mercenaries.

You've been taken for a ride.

now let's be fair. There isn't any amount of money you can pay someone in order to fight within a Rebellion inside Aleppo. The city is under siege, but the Russians and Terrorist Assad forces will face a huge fight from people desperate to survive and have nothing to lose.
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:24 am

Robin Hood wrote:TD:
Look at some salient points from the following report about what the Assad regime is doing to Syrian Christians.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/%20...%20christians


I think you will find that this group is an extreme right wing anti-Muslim outfit with dubious sources of funding ..........

The family of Gatestone’s founder and president, Nina Rosenwald has long pumped millions of dollars into this anti-Muslim network, through various trusts and foundations including the Abstraction Fund, discussed shortly. For this reason, Rosenwald herself has been dubbed, by journalist Max Blumenthal, ‘the sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate’.

Blumenthal notes that Gatestone emerged in 2011 as an offshoot of the right wing Hudson Institute. Since then it has become a hub for anti-Muslim ideologues of all hues; neoconservative, ultra-Zionist and so-called ‘counterjihad’. It has acted as a clearing-house, for example, for claims about Muslim ‘no-go zones’ (the likes of which ‘terrorism expert’ Steven Emerson was widely ridiculed for, including by UK Prime Minister David Cameron). Its articles carry fear-mongering titles such as: ‘‘Spain: Soon the Muslims will be kings of the world’, ‘Britain’s Islamic future’, ’The Islamization of France’, ‘The Islamization of Germany’ and ‘The Islamization of Belgium and the Netherlands’.


The stories may well contain truth but the circumstances of these incidents, is not mentioned so they have to be seen as being out of context. Similar to the recent bombing of an MSF hospital, claimed by coalition sources as a deliberate attack by Russian aircraft, which is likely correct.

What was NOT mentioned was that MSF made a decision not to follow agreed protocol and did not to give the coordinates of this unit, that was well within rebel held territory, to either Syria or Russia! So they would have had no idea that a complex they had observed with military vehicles and camouflage figures going in and out and assumed to be a military complex, was in reality a medical facility. This has been confirmed by MSF themselves.

Gatestone institute.......... Is a notorious Islamophobic think tank inspiring more Far-Right terrorism.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/notorious-islamophobic-think-tank-inspiring-more-far-right-terrorism


Personally I have never heard of them which is why I decided to find out more. The fact they have serious funding says they also have an agenda which means the claims are not reliable. :?


How do you rate Amnesty International, as an organisation, as a matter of interest?
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:38 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:TD:
Look at some salient points from the following report about what the Assad regime is doing to Syrian Christians.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2884/%20...%20christians


I think you will find that this group is an extreme right wing anti-Muslim outfit with dubious sources of funding ..........

The family of Gatestone’s founder and president, Nina Rosenwald has long pumped millions of dollars into this anti-Muslim network, through various trusts and foundations including the Abstraction Fund, discussed shortly. For this reason, Rosenwald herself has been dubbed, by journalist Max Blumenthal, ‘the sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate’.

Blumenthal notes that Gatestone emerged in 2011 as an offshoot of the right wing Hudson Institute. Since then it has become a hub for anti-Muslim ideologues of all hues; neoconservative, ultra-Zionist and so-called ‘counterjihad’. It has acted as a clearing-house, for example, for claims about Muslim ‘no-go zones’ (the likes of which ‘terrorism expert’ Steven Emerson was widely ridiculed for, including by UK Prime Minister David Cameron). Its articles carry fear-mongering titles such as: ‘‘Spain: Soon the Muslims will be kings of the world’, ‘Britain’s Islamic future’, ’The Islamization of France’, ‘The Islamization of Germany’ and ‘The Islamization of Belgium and the Netherlands’.


The stories may well contain truth but the circumstances of these incidents, is not mentioned so they have to be seen as being out of context. Similar to the recent bombing of an MSF hospital, claimed by coalition sources as a deliberate attack by Russian aircraft, which is likely correct.

What was NOT mentioned was that MSF made a decision not to follow agreed protocol and did not to give the coordinates of this unit, that was well within rebel held territory, to either Syria or Russia! So they would have had no idea that a complex they had observed with military vehicles and camouflage figures going in and out and assumed to be a military complex, was in reality a medical facility. This has been confirmed by MSF themselves.

Gatestone institute.......... Is a notorious Islamophobic think tank inspiring more Far-Right terrorism.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/notorious-islamophobic-think-tank-inspiring-more-far-right-terrorism


Personally I have never heard of them which is why I decided to find out more. The fact they have serious funding says they also have an agenda which means the claims are not reliable. :?


How do you rate Amnesty International, as an organisation, as a matter of interest?


I posted many Amnesty International Links and even UN links but he is adamant about his sources, which have an extreme anti west agenda.
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:17 pm

I know, it's amazing. I have even given the links here to two stories on Sputnik on the self-same day one of which claimed that Turkey was preventing Russian merchant ships from passing through the Bosphorus and another which claimed that Russian ships were doing just this. Both stories can't be true, so this shows that you must approach all sources of information with a critical mind - the kind of thinking evidenced above in deconstructing the message being put out by Gatestone. Yet, when it comes to anything put out by the Putin propaganda machine, the Putin worshipers here, apparently blinded by the light emitted by this Orthodox Saint who seemingly is incapable of doing wrong or erring (and ignoring the trail of human rights abuses that litter his path to iron rule in Russia), throw all such critical thinking out of the window and uncritically accept everything as being the gospel truth. They have their minds made up a priori and there's none so blind as those who will not see.
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Re: The Real News from Christians on the Aleppo Front

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:36 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I know, it's amazing. I have even given the links here to two stories on Sputnik on the self-same day one of which claimed that Turkey was preventing Russian merchant ships from passing through the Bosphorus and another which claimed that Russian ships were doing just this. Both stories can't be true, so this shows that you must approach all sources of information with a critical mind - the kind of thinking evidenced above in deconstructing the message being put out by Gatestone. Yet, when it comes to anything put out by the Putin propaganda machine, the Putin worshipers here, apparently blinded by the light emitted by this Orthodox Saint who seemingly is incapable of doing wrong or erring (and ignoring the trail of human rights abuses that litter his path to iron rule in Russia), throw all such critical thinking out of the window and uncritically accept everything as being the gospel truth. They have their minds made up a priori and there's none so blind as those who will not see.


We can never do propaganda like Pootin can because Pootin is not susceptible to anywhere near as much scrutiny and is less accountable than our elected Governments. That is our biggest weakness and also a great strength that our society is far more open and fair.

I've never in my life witnessed a better master of the art than Pootin.

Words can not describe my disappointment how some Cypriots are so willing to accept Pootin's criminality or the slaughter of thousands of Syrians just because they wanted to see some change.

But there are many Cypriots who also know what's what and see right through Pootin's shenanigans.
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