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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby Sotos » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:25 am

So back to the topic... personally I don't mind to admit to my family members that I am wrong... even when I am not the only one who is wrong I will often say "sorry" without expecting one back because I don't like to escalate things for no big reason. When it comes to the forum I usually try to do my research before I argue about something... and if I am not 100% sure I will phrase what I say in way that is flexible and not absolute. That said we often write in the forum in a casual way so there are occasions that I wrote things without expecting that what I said casually will be analyzed word for word in an attempt to find something wrong with it and then make a huge deal about it... it is really annoying when certain people do that!
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby Sotos » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:28 am

...the fear of public speaking – a dread that can be greater than that of flying or even of death.


I find this greatly exaggerated. Are there people that would rather die than speak publicly? Only psychopaths maybe...
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby erolz66 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:38 am

Sotos wrote: (b) that Erolz is also often guilty of playing games with words and missing the essence so he can't be so hard on GiG about this


Indeed I can often 'miss the essence', get 'the wrong end of the stick', get hung up on individual words and focus on exact meanings and definitions of said words whilst missing the bigger picture. As we all can and do at times and it may well be that I am more prone to these kinds of things than average and others. However I do not do theses things with INTENT. When I mimicked GiG 'technique' by focusing in on the word 'said' to the exclusion of all others, I did so with the intent of ignoring and distracting from what she was actually saying. I maintain that this is something GiG does do with the INTENT of ignoring or distracting from what the other person is actually expressing or trying to express. I maintain that this was the case here, with Lordo's comment and the 11 million. I maintain that she knew 11 million was not relevant to the point Lordo was making, knew that his point would be exactly the same if he had said 'Syrians displaced' and mentioned no specific number but specifically chose to zoom in on the 11 million because it would ignore and distract from the point he was actually expressing. I maintain that she uses this 'technique' with intent as a means of actively ignoring and distracting from what other people say, and has done so consistently over the years she has posted and I also maintain that I have not and do not use this 'technique' with intent in this way, nor indeed does any other poster here on this forum to the degree or with the consistency that GiG does.

What is more I maintain this is merely one of a range of 'techniques' used with intent here on this forum by GiG and consistently so for years and years. The one that frustrates and annoys me (and this is probably personal which I will come back to in another post another day) more than any of the others, is the blanket denial of objective reality. The latest example of which would be

An EU Evaluation report on Greece, as described in two EU Commission press releases, then one from the EU Council and finally in a published EU Council implementing decision, that all say the report on Greece concludes "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities."

becomes to GiG an evaluation report that 'does not even criticise Greece' and 'is more critical of Sweden' and endless other variants of the same blatant denial of actual reality, repeated over and over 25 pages now.

I maintain that this kind of blanket denial of actual reality with intent is something that GiG has done systematically here on this forum for year after year. I maintain it is a kind of blanket denial of actual reality with intent that I do not do and what is more one that no other poster does here with the consistency and relentlessness that GiG does.

That this annoys me so much that I bother challenge such behaviour with the stubbornness I do , rather than the more sensible approach that others take to it of just ignoring it, is undoubtedly down to particular aspects of my personality.
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby Lordo » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:49 am

it is a medical condition she is suffering. i aint no doctor but i do know that her ocd will develop to full madness in the end. i am not aware that there is a cure for it as yet.
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:15 am

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote: (b) that Erolz is also often guilty of playing games with words and missing the essence so he can't be so hard on GiG about this


Indeed I can often 'miss the essence', get 'the wrong end of the stick', get hung up on individual words and focus on exact meanings and definitions of said words whilst missing the bigger picture. As we all can and do at times and it may well be that I am more prone to these kinds of things than average and others. However I do not do theses things with INTENT. When I mimicked GiG 'technique' by focusing in on the word 'said' to the exclusion of all others, I did so with the intent of ignoring and distracting from what she was actually saying. I maintain that this is something GiG does do with the INTENT of ignoring or distracting from what the other person is actually expressing or trying to express. I maintain that this was the case here, with Lordo's comment and the 11 million. I maintain that she knew 11 million was not relevant to the point Lordo was making, knew that his point would be exactly the same if he had said 'Syrians displaced' and mentioned no specific number but specifically chose to zoom in on the 11 million because it would ignore and distract from the point he was actually expressing. I maintain that she uses this 'technique' with intent as a means of actively ignoring and distracting from what other people say, and has done so consistently over the years she has posted and I also maintain that I have not and do not use this 'technique' with intent in this way, nor indeed does any other poster here on this forum to the degree or with the consistency that GiG does.

What is more I maintain this is merely one of a range of 'techniques' used with intent here on this forum by GiG and consistently so for years and years. The one that frustrates and annoys me (and this is probably personal which I will come back to in another post another day) more than any of the others, is the blanket denial of objective reality. The latest example of which would be

An EU Evaluation report on Greece, as described in two EU Commission press releases, then one from the EU Council and finally in a published EU Council implementing decision, that all say the report on Greece concludes "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities."

becomes to GiG an evaluation report that 'does not even criticise Greece' and 'is more critical of Sweden' and endless other variants of the same blatant denial of actual reality, repeated over and over 25 pages now.

I maintain that this kind of blanket denial of actual reality with intent is something that GiG has done systematically here on this forum for year after year. I maintain it is a kind of blanket denial of actual reality with intent that I do not do and what is more one that no other poster does here with the consistency and relentlessness that GiG does.

That this annoys me so much that I bother challenge such behaviour with the stubbornness I do , rather than the more sensible approach that others take to it of just ignoring it, is undoubtedly down to particular aspects of my personality.


It is worse than that : The Major EU decisions are reported in or evidenced by allegedly "meaningless documents" but she is quite quite happy to hypocritically use those self same information sources as justification of her stance - this applies to the Media in general, to specific news papers where she will happily dismiss some reports but then quote and link to others in that paper, or to official press reports issued by the EU, and to the full official documents themselves.
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:47 am

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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:47 am

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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:37 am

When I was a young girl (a very long time ago :P ) it used to be the norm in Cyprus that we should always apologize to our elders regardless of who was right or wrong.

I think that was good training to put 'being wrong' into perspective.

I don't understand why 'being wrong' should hurt?
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:57 am

pass the popcorn... :lol:
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Re: Why being wrong really hurts

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:10 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote: (b) that Erolz is also often guilty of playing games with words and missing the essence so he can't be so hard on GiG about this


Indeed I can often 'miss the essence', get 'the wrong end of the stick', get hung up on individual words and focus on exact meanings and definitions of said words whilst missing the bigger picture. As we all can and do at times and it may well be that I am more prone to these kinds of things than average and others. However I do not do theses things with INTENT. When I mimicked GiG 'technique' by focusing in on the word 'said' to the exclusion of all others, I did so with the intent of ignoring and distracting from what she was actually saying. I maintain that this is something GiG does do with the INTENT of ignoring or distracting from what the other person is actually expressing or trying to express. I maintain that this was the case here, with Lordo's comment and the 11 million. I maintain that she knew 11 million was not relevant to the point Lordo was making, knew that his point would be exactly the same if he had said 'Syrians displaced' and mentioned no specific number but specifically chose to zoom in on the 11 million because it would ignore and distract from the point he was actually expressing. I maintain that she uses this 'technique' with intent as a means of actively ignoring and distracting from what other people say, and has done so consistently over the years she has posted and I also maintain that I have not and do not use this 'technique' with intent in this way, nor indeed does any other poster here on this forum to the degree or with the consistency that GiG does.

What is more I maintain this is merely one of a range of 'techniques' used with intent here on this forum by GiG and consistently so for years and years. The one that frustrates and annoys me (and this is probably personal which I will come back to in another post another day) more than any of the others, is the blanket denial of objective reality. The latest example of which would be

An EU Evaluation report on Greece, as described in two EU Commission press releases, then one from the EU Council and finally in a published EU Council implementing decision, that all say the report on Greece concludes "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities."

becomes to GiG an evaluation report that 'does not even criticise Greece' and 'is more critical of Sweden' and endless other variants of the same blatant denial of actual reality, repeated over and over 25 pages now.

I maintain that this kind of blanket denial of actual reality with intent is something that GiG has done systematically here on this forum for year after year. I maintain it is a kind of blanket denial of actual reality with intent that I do not do and what is more one that no other poster does here with the consistency and relentlessness that GiG does.

That this annoys me so much that I bother challenge such behaviour with the stubbornness I do , rather than the more sensible approach that others take to it of just ignoring it, is undoubtedly down to particular aspects of my personality.


There is no intent from GIG. It's just her beliefs.
The other day Mr-From-Ng who is generally a respectable person, said the Tcs cannot live with the Gcs without Turkey's guarantees. No matter how reality actually proved him wrong he maintains this belief from his childhood experiences. It's nearly impossible to convince him otherwise and impossible to take this belief out of him. In this respect I would never expect him to admit wrong, just respect his right to think like he does, and forget about it.
Needless to say I respect GIC too for many reasons, while i also think on some issues she's driven from wrong beliefs.
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