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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:27 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Those 'recommendations/evaluations' are NOT facts even if they were up to date at the time of processing.
The facts are what we see happening.


lol

If no one sees EU inspectors carrying out an evaluation in Greece, exactly as laid out in the laws governing such, on how well or badly Greece is meeting its obligations and that concludes it is failing to meet its obligations and is serious deficient, can it be said to have happened at all ? Could one claim that such an evaluation actually criticised Sweden more than Greece ?

lol - your really are very funny sometimes, presumably without intent, in the gymnastics (twisting) you will attempt in order to try and now justify months of blatant denial of actual reality.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:49 pm

Then ecplain this? Why is the process set in motion with the evaluations on 10 q13 th November, which is what us under discussion, still in hand, such thst as late as 12th April the plan put forward by Greece was sent back for sone clarificstions and changes with a requirement for this to be done at latest by 26th?

Can you point to any official documents where the relevent laws havve bern suspended? NO!
Can you point to any official documents rescinding the various decisions taken since the adoption of the report and in particular those of 12 Feb where Greece was obliged to produce a plan and thst of 12 April where parts of the plan were refered back? NO!


Rather youbseek to deny what the stated law is and decisions that have undeniably already been taken, all in favour odf some perceived hapoening, some of which are probably not even relevent to the evaluation and serios deficiences foukd.m That, little star, is not the mark of a rational person.

I repeat, unless and until you can point to the law and decidions taken thereunder, you have no case. Rather you are just producing piss and wind, but then that is what you always do.

Deny, avoid, distort, evade, where truth has no meaning to you.

i am sure we can all see how intellectually shallow you are and how utterly deluded you are.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:15 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Deny, avoid, distort, evade, where truth has no meaning to you.

i am sure we can all see how intellectually shallow you are and how utterly deluded you are.


To be honest supporttheunderdog I think the 'jig was up' for GiG even all those months back, when faced with the fact that the EU, in an official Schengen evaluation report, carried out exactly as per the rules on such evaluations, and as reported by the EU itself concluded that

Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.


her response was

And in fact even the evaluation report that will lead to decisions doesn't even criticize Greece (the section is quoted, along with Italy) but offers help in the way of Frontex (plus), as I said! Yet the evaluation document criticises the likes of Sweden for fraudulant papers and lax immigration.


and adds

Stop spreading lies!


Either for comedic ironic affect, or just pure hypocrisy , who can tell ?

Yeah I think the 'jig' was very definitely 'up' even back then and the 'jig' as only got higher and higher and higher over the subsequent months since then. Just my own personal view of course :)
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby Lordo » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:21 pm

can she jigy jig?
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:43 pm

So this is all an exercise in showing us how 'intellectually deep' ( :lol: ) you are by reposting, ad infinitum and ad nauseam, redundant 'recommendations' that no one has taken up?

You have NOTHING new to add. You have added NOTHING worthwhile.

You didn't even know the blasted 'laws' you were peddling had been amended! How 'intellectually deep' .... :lol:
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:56 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:So this is all an exercise in showing us how 'intellectually deep' ( :lol: ) you are by reposting, ad infinitum and ad nauseam, redundant 'recommendations' that no one has taken up?

You have NOTHING new to add. You have added NOTHING worthwhile.

You didn't even know the blasted 'laws' you were peddling had been amended! How 'intellectually deep' .... :lol:


What the above shows is that you can and do just deny reality when it suits your agenda to do so, totally regardless of any and all actual evidence, whilst trying to use an number of 'techniques' to 'justify' that and all whilst projecting your own failings onto those you consider yourself opposed with (liar, twister, distorter and so on), often shouted in oversized bold and or coloured text, and will do so relentlessly for month after month after month. It shows how totally detached from reality your 'arguments' are and how totally irrelevant actual reality is to you. It shows what you do on these forums, what you have always done on this forums.

When the EU directly says 'Greece is deficient' and in response you say 'the EU never said Greece is deficient' and then call 'liar' and 'twister' those who said that the EU said Greece was deficient, an average 6 year would be able to see what is going on. Most 6 year old are perfectly able to understand and see denial. So no nothing intellectually deep at all there. Intellectually dishonest, well that is another matter entirely. Intellectual dishonesty - the advocacy of a position you know to be false - well that is a stock in trade for your behaviour here and this too is shown by the above as well.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby tsukoui » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:35 am

Let us look at this word "de-fi-ci-ent"

fi or phi as we know denotes the golden ratio, the proportions of natural beauty.

de, or di, or ti, is Greek for "what?" a question.

phi is also the beginning of the word "phi-losophy" and "phi-del".

ci, or si, or cy, or see, or sea, or simply c, is a complex phonic, in this context I believe it means either see or C the programming language.

ent is the name given by Tolkien to the guardians of the trees, giant, tree-like beings with a long life and a gentle demeanour.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:11 am

The deficiencies that had been identified were the lack of money, the lack of resources and the major lack of help from other EU countries.

This has been the focus in sorting out the migrant crisis - the admittance that the rest of the EU has been deficient in preparing its borders for the onslaught. Something erolz and stud deny. The outcome from this EU deficiency.

MORE HELP FOR GREECE TO HELP THE MIGRANTS.

This crisis is not Greek-made. The money-deficiencies are NOT Greek-made. Greece is a poor country - it has been bled dry by wars and envy! It is kept poor because of countries like Turkey enforcing it to spend on defences. It is kept impoverished by countries like Turkey that set fire to its forests. It's kept poor by countries like Turkey that steal Greece's resources and territories and that includes Cyprus!

The perpetual problem is Turkey. Dismantle Turkey and peace will follow.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby tsukoui » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:31 am

The real threat to Greece is China which wants robots :twisted:
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:01 am

Some 49 specific deficiencies were found and The facility for Greece to get assistance from the EU through Frontex to rectify them has existed for some time.
The question I have asked but which you have consistently not answered is why it took until after the inspections in November 2015, on 3rd December, for Greece to ask for help, when if the Greek authorities and Governement had any competence they should have known of the problems. As it is they left the border porus and as a Greek minister admitted this had allowed unchecked entry of at least one of terrorists who was involved in the Paris attacks and where it appears the Belgian attackers likewise used Greece as a soft route to avoid boder checks.

You then have termerity to suggest the attacks in Belgium were some sort or retribution for Belgian Criticism of Greece, which I think the Belgians are quite justified in making, when there was a problem which Greece did nothing to deal with until after the inspections.

Why did it take until 3rd December for Greece to seek assistance?

This is against the background that under an unamended section of EC2007/2004 , paragraph 4' , which is still valid law, it is cleariy stated that responsibility for external borders rests with member nations, and elsewhere that the EU could at that point only intervene when asked.

That law is being changed, probably in direct response to Greece's failings to act in a timely manner to get assistance, and the EU is now giving itself powers to intervene so that circumstance involving failures to act by the member state can be dealt with, taking away a bit more sovereignty from the member nations, but subject to that and other changes involving the formation of an EU coast guard and border force, the legal position will still remain even under the most recent legislation that the member nations are responsible for the day to day management of external borders.

The rest is special pleading, which does not in my view excuse the apparent Greek failure to recognise it had a problem, or if it knew to get the help to solve the problems, and which just another attempt by you to try to transfer the blame elsewhere . It is certainly incorrect in so far as you imply that Cyprus is Greek territory. It is not. I think it might also demonstrate some degree of Paranoia . I will deal with your previous post later.
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