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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby Lordo » Tue May 03, 2016 9:16 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:As you are unwilling or unable to quote the relevent post in full here its is

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus44599-230.html

Erolz66 wrote:by erolz66 » Mon May 02, 2016 4:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:page after page of repeated garbage that neither of you has fully understood,



Yet you are the one who called an official public EU commission press release 'not the EU'. You are the one who used a document that was not an evaluation report , covering a period that did not include that in which the evaluation report on Greece was completed and that itself explicitly said did not cover the evaluation report on Greece and claim that this prior report, not itself an evaluation report WAS the evaluation report on Greece, You then used this blatant , proven disortion for months of subsequent untrue claims.



You show how you are either utterly stupid or utterly morally bankrupt you are by misquoting Erolz describing your position and trying to turn your views into his.

That is what you do here, you lie, you distort, all willfully, maliciously, in my view so much so that you are a disgrace to Greece.

no no no no dont bring greace into this.

she is an insignificant amoeba cell disgracing only herself, nobody else.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun May 22, 2016 10:15 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:As you are unwilling or unable to quote the relevent post in full here its is

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus44599-230.html

Erolz66 wrote:by erolz66 » Mon May 02, 2016 4:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:page after page of repeated garbage that neither of you has fully understood,



Yet you are the one who called an official public EU commission press release 'not the EU'. You are the one who used a document that was not an evaluation report , covering a period that did not include that in which the evaluation report on Greece was completed and that itself explicitly said did not cover the evaluation report on Greece and claim that this prior report, not itself an evaluation report WAS the evaluation report on Greece, You then used this blatant , proven disortion for months of subsequent untrue claims.



You show how you are either utterly stupid or utterly morally bankrupt you are by misquoting Erolz describing your position and trying to turn your views into his.

That is what you do here, you lie, you distort, all willfully, maliciously, in my view so much so that you are a disgrace to Greece.



It's the two of you are that are now exactly the same!

Why don't you stop trolling me and getting mixed up in posts to other people now too? - HE knows when he assumed the voice of the EU and declared lies they had not said as though they had and has an inability to tell press releases from policy documents etc - and it's NOT up to you to think you know every single post that others have made - even if you are a constant TROLL.

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An evaluation of the application of the Schengen rules in the field of external border management by Greece was carried out in November 2015. The Evaluation Report, which revealed serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control by Greece, was adopted by the Commission on 2 February 2016. Recommendations for remedial action were adopted by the Council on 12 February 2016.
As the Evaluation Report found serious deficiencies, the Commission adopted on 24 February 2016 an implementing decision setting out recommendations on specific measures to be taken by Greece. The recommendations seek to ensure that Greece applies all Schengen rules related to management of the external border.


In accordance with Council Regulation (EU) No 1053/20131 and the annual evaluation programme for 2015 , an unannounced on-site visit was carried out from 10 to 13 November 2015 to evaluate the implementation of the Schengen acquis in the field of the management of the external border by the Hellenic Republic at its land border (Orestiada, Fylakio, Kastanies, Nea Vyssa) and sea border (Chios and Samos Islands) with Turkey.

On 2 February 2016 the Commission adopted an implementing decision establishing a report of the evaluation of the Hellenic Republic on the implementation of the Schengen acquis in the field of the management of the external border concluding that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control that must be overcome and dealt with by the Hellenic authorities. These serious deficiencies represent, as far as the carrying out of external border control is concerned, a situation where the obligations referred to in Article 16(1) and (4) of Regulation (EU) No 1053/2013 have not been met.


The national border management system of the Hellenic Republic presently does not yet have the required operational and administrative capacities to manage external borders according to the standards of the Schengen Borders Code, although work is in progress to establish these capacities. In particular, some core functions, e.g. risk analysis, are presently not implemented in full and the approach to border management is fragmented. Not all the national capacities suitable for border surveillance (Army, Navy) are fully used by the Hellenic Republic.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:16 am

...just to update,

http://www.asylumineurope.org/news/08-1 ... ey-returns

...processing of Asylum seekers

The European Commission published today its Fourth Report on the implementation of the EU-Turkey statement, which aims to take drastic measures to ensure an increase in the number of returns from Greece to Turkey. Since the statement, 748 people are reported to have returned to Turkey, compared to 20,638 arrivals in Greece since April 2016.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:18 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...just to update,

http://www.asylumineurope.org/news/08-1 ... ey-returns

...processing of Asylum seekers

The European Commission published today its Fourth Report on the implementation of the EU-Turkey statement, which aims to take drastic measures to ensure an increase in the number of returns from Greece to Turkey. Since the statement, 748 people are reported to have returned to Turkey, compared to 20,638 arrivals in Greece since April 2016.


Thanks for that. Great to see the confirmation of ongoing shared management with the European Border and Coast Guard.

Reality has laid rest the propaganda espoused by the Brit and the Turk that Greece was about to face expulsion. Just like STUD's other propaganda on Grexit when I warned him, ages ago, that there will be a Brexit before such a thing as a Grexit was ever likely. :P
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:14 am

http://www.pappaspost.com/photos-shocking-conditions-refugee-camps-greece-winter-sets/

An aid worker, Paul Carr, turned to Twitter to ask for help in providing refuge to these people. He posted photos f snow-covered tents and refugees walking in nothing but socks in the icy conditions. (Photos at the end of the story)

Tatiana Diego, a volunteer from Spain at Petra told The Pappas Post via email that many refugees were seeing snow for the first time and were ill-prepared to deal with the conditions. She also reported that several had frostbite and appealed to the Greek government to respond quickly to urgent cries for assistance.

On the island of Chios, gale-force winds left about 200 people without cover as tents were blown away and torrential rain created pools of mud in already squalid conditions following firebomb attacks last month by far-right attackers.


...winter in Greece, for these refugees, the rest of us should not forget.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:15 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
http://www.pappaspost.com/photos-shocking-conditions-refugee-camps-greece-winter-sets/

An aid worker, Paul Carr, turned to Twitter to ask for help in providing refuge to these people. He posted photos f snow-covered tents and refugees walking in nothing but socks in the icy conditions. (Photos at the end of the story)

Tatiana Diego, a volunteer from Spain at Petra told The Pappas Post via email that many refugees were seeing snow for the first time and were ill-prepared to deal with the conditions. She also reported that several had frostbite and appealed to the Greek government to respond quickly to urgent cries for assistance.

On the island of Chios, gale-force winds left about 200 people without cover as tents were blown away and torrential rain created pools of mud in already squalid conditions following firebomb attacks last month by far-right attackers.


...winter in Greece, for these refugees, the rest of us should not forget.


A few days ago, I was talking to a friend who lives in Greece. She has a two year old child and is starting up a business as her previous one (being a luxury items thing) lost all its clientele and closed down - but all she wanted to talk about was the plight of the refugees, the cold, and what activities they had planned (this was in Thessaloniki) to help the refugees. A while back with a Greek friend of my husband's, that was the exact same story - their free-time, Sunday activities revolved around collecting things for the refugees. My elderly Athenian aunt with all her problems, always puts into perspective what the refugees are suffering before having a moan and counts her blessings.

I am truly amazed by the actual efforts (not just 'thoughts') of the everyday Greeks. This is Christianity in action.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:54 pm

http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/greek-news/society/21330-only-95-refugees-arrived-on-greek-islands-in-last-48-hours.html

No migrants or refugees arrived on the islands of Lesvos and Samos in the last 48 hours despite the good weather conditions prevailing in the region while 95 persons arrived on Chios mostly Africans.According to police, 11,514 migrants and refugees that have applied for asylum in Greece remain stranded on the northern Aegean islands.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:54 am

Let us be absolutely clear about the motivations that underpin the Commission’s decision. The Dublin Regulation, which dictates that a refugee must claim asylum in the first member country in which they arrive, is a means for the rest of the EU to circumvent the Refugee Convention to which they are signatories. It is a legislative sleight of hand that has enabled these countries — including Britain — to shirk their moral and legal responsibilities towards people seeking international protection.

And let us be equally clear about what this decision means for the victims of torture, of war, and of abuse at the hands of their own governments — it means removing them from places of safety and returning them to the increasingly dangerous limbo of the Greek asylum process.

Now we urgently call on other witnesses — volunteers, aid workers, doctors, nurses, and the locals of the Greek islands and cities — to raise their voices for those who have none. You who are on the front lines of one of the greatest humanitarian crises Europe has seen since World War II and who are reminded forcefully on a daily basis of just how dire these straits are: Remind your governments, your leaders, your MEPs of the situation as it actually is.

http://www.politico.eu/article/greece-i ... -refugees/
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby Paphitis » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:56 am

Good luck Greece and Italy. You gonna need it now, because the flood gates are open and I doubt Turkey will keep them all it its borders.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:44 pm

Something for today:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-124_en.htm

The combination of serious deficiencies in the management of the external border by Greece at that time and the significant number of unregistered migrants and asylum seekers present in Greece who may have sought to move irregularly to other Member States, created exceptional circumstances constituting a serious threat to public policy and internal security and endangering the overall functioning of the Schengen area. These exceptional circumstances led to the triggering of the safeguard procedure of Article 29 of the Schengen Borders Code and the adoption of the Council Recommendation on 12 May 2016 to maintain temporary proportionate controls at certain internal Schengen borders in Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark and Norway for a period of six months.


This Article 29 parts 1 and 2

Specific procedure where exceptional circumstances put the overall functioning of the area without internal border control at risk

1. In exceptional circumstances where the overall functioning of the area without internal border control is put at risk as a result of persistent serious deficiencies relating to external border control as referred to in Article 21, and insofar as those circumstances constitute a serious threat to public policy or internal security within the area without internal border control or within parts thereof, border control at internal borders may be reintroduced in accordance with paragraph 2 of this Article for a period of up to six months. That period may be prolonged, no more than three times, for a further period of up to six months if the exceptional circumstances persist.
2. The Council may, as a last resort and as a measure to protect the common interests within the area without internal border control, where all other measures, in particular those referred to in Article 21(1), are ineffective in mitigating the serious threat identified, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders. The Council’s recommendation shall be based on a proposal from the Commission. The Member States may request the Commission to submit such a proposal to the Council for a recommendation.


That was the risk Greece faced.

As it was the EU decided to permit other countries to implement border controls because of
serious deficiencies in the management of the external border by Greece
which the EU are allowing to be maintained

Brussels, 25 January 2017

The European Commission has today recommended the Council allows Member States to maintain the temporary controls currently in place at certain internal Schengen borders in Austria, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway for a further period of three months.

Despite the progressive stabilisation of the situation and the implementation of a series of measures proposed by the Commission to better manage the external borders and protect the Schengen area, the Commission considers that the conditions of the "Back to Schengen" Roadmap allowing for a return to a normally functioning Schengen area have not yet been entirely fulfilled.

First Vice-President Frans Timmermans said: "Significant progress has been made to lift internal border controls, but we need to solidify it further. This is why we recommend allowing the Member States concerned to maintain temporary border controls for a further three months."

Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs, and Citizenship Dimitris Avramopoulos said:
"Schengen is one of the greatest achievements of EU integration, which we must not take for granted. The European Commission is and remains fully committed to work with Member States in gradually phasing out temporary internal border controls and return to a normal functioning of the Schengen area without internal border control as soon as possible. While over the past months we have been continuously strengthening our measures to address the unprecedented migratory pressure that Europe is facing, we are not there yet unfortunately. That is why we recommend that the Council allows Member States to continue limited temporary internal border controls for another three months, under strict conditions, and only as a last resort."

In the past months there has been important progress when it comes to securing and better managing the external borders and reducing irregular migration: With the new European Border and Coast Guard established since 6 October 2016, the means are being put in place to better protect the external borders of the EU and to react to new developments. With the establishment of the hotspot system, the registration and fingerprinting of migrants arriving in Greece and Italy has now reached a rate of almost 100%. The upcoming systematic checks against relevant databases for all people crossing the external border, as proposed by the Commission, will further contribute to strengthening the external borders. In addition, the EU-Turkey Statement has resulted in a significant decrease in the number of irregular migrants and asylum seekers arriving in the EU.

However, a significant number of irregular migrants and asylum seekers still remain in Greece and the situation remains fragile on the Western Balkans route, entailing a potential risk of secondary movements. Furthermore, despite important improvements in the management of the external borders, some of the actions identified by the "Back to Schengen" Roadmap require more time to be fully implemented and to deliver the expected results. As of February 2017, European Border and Coast Guard operations will assist Greece at the Northern Greek external border. The trend of steady delivery of results of the EU-Turkey Statement needs to be continued and the full application of the Dublin rules in Greece gradually restored as of mid-March. Despite important progress, ongoing work and the situation on the ground point towards the persistence of these exceptional circumstances. The Commission therefore finds it justified on a precautionary basis to allow the Member States concerned, and only after having examined alternative measures, to prolong the current limited internal border controls as an exceptional measure for a further limited period of three months under strict conditions. In particular, any such controls must be targeted and limited in scope, frequency, location and time to what is strictly necessary.

The controls concern the same internal borders as those recommended by the Council on 11 November 2016:
Austria: at the Austrian-Hungarian and Austrian-Slovenian land border;
Germany: at the German-Austrian land border;
Denmark: in Danish ports with ferry connections to Germany and at the Danish-German land border;
Sweden: in Swedish harbours in the Police Region South and West and at the Öresund bridge;
Norway: in Norwegian ports with ferry connections to Denmark, Germany and Sweden.


Then there was the bit quoted at the top, describing the background, including
serious deficiencies in the management of the external border by Greece


Note
by Greece
Not anyone else.



The mechanism for proactive European intervention and a greater role of EU Agencies was introduced as a result of these serious deficiencies in the management of the external border by Greece and the organisation to do this, The European Border and Coast Guard, only came into being on 6th October 2016. Before the new regulations Greece, not anyone else, not Frontex, was responsible for control of the Greek external borders.

and

http://www.politico.eu/article/whispers-of-grexit-start-again-greece-economy-bailout-imf-eu/

This is BTW old news having been discussed as far back as 05 Jan by SEV

http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/greek-news/economy/21936-greek-employers-federation-again-cites-specter-of-grexit-from-eu.html
http://www.kathimerini.gr/890681/opinion/epikairothta/politikh/otan-8elhsoyme-to-grexit

Note this is Greek sites discussing Grexit. If you are unhappy with what they say take it up with them, not me..... I really do have no desire to see Greece leave the Euro, as I have said, and Brexit has not happened yet. It still may not happen.
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