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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:32 pm

Meanwhile, back to something about Europe's External Borders:

Despite requests by the NATO operation's German command, "the Turks refused" this weekend to allow the vessels to enter into Turkish waters, a diplomatic source told AFP.
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The unprecedented mission, which seeks to tackle migrant smugglers, was launched earlier this month and aims to help the European Union cope with its worst migration crisis since World War II.
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Turkey meanwhile "is showing little to no interest" in taking back migrants picked up by the NATO vessels at sea as they attempt to make the perilous crossing to Greece, the source said.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:33 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Are you completely stupid to ask such childish questions or simply scraping the bottom of the barrel to TROLL me?


You accused me of having a 'fixed and bigoted idea'. I asked if you do not have the same. You ignored the question accused me that my 'mind was closed' and threw in a few ad hominem attacks. I asked are you open-minded in regards to your views and opinions re Turks and Turkey' ?

I do totally understand that you now have an agenda of trying make out you have answered my question, whilst at the same time you actually avoid answering it. I do know nothing will budge you from this agenda.

The core question however remains the same

Are you open-minded (willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced; unbiased, prejudice-free, accepting, non-partisan, neutral, non-aligned, non-judgemental, non-discriminatory, objective, disinterested, dispassionate, detached) in regards to your views and opinions re Turks and Turkey' ?

As does the evidence that could be used to try and answer that question. remain the same.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:37 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Meanwhile, back to something about Europe's External Borders:


Which does suggest that the idea that NATO could or would be able to return migrants it intercepts back to Turkey, without Turkey's consent and agreement, was somewhat optimistic.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:11 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Meanwhile, back to something about Europe's External Borders:


Which does suggest that the idea that NATO could or would be able to return migrants it intercepts back to Turkey, without Turkey's consent and agreement, was somewhat optimistic.


How sure are you they didn't have 'Turkey's consent and agreement'?

(I have to ask because you do have a record of making stuff up!)
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:24 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:How sure are you they didn't have 'Turkey's consent and agreement'?


I think you may have misunderstood the point I was trying to make - probably did not express it clearly enough. I am not saying that Turkey either did or did not agree to return and now either is or is not reneging on that agreement - which is what I think you seem to think I was saying one way or another ?

I am suggesting that the idea , that I had the impression some here were espousing, that NATO would or could return such migrants, regardless of what Turkey felt about such a return, would seemed to be somewhat contradicted by the article you had posted.

What may have already been agreed on this issue by Turkey, if Turkey has broken such already made agreements and questions such as these were not ones I was addressing.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:(I have to ask because you do have a record of making stuff up!)


Where as you ...... Oh forget it.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:32 pm

erolz66 wrote: ... I had the impression some here were espousing, that NATO would or could return such migrants, .


I think it was NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg who said Turkey and its allies have agreed that "if the people were rescued by NATO, if they come from Turkey, we can return them to Turkey."

http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_na ... 13137.html
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:36 pm

Yes and I think he said that on the basis that Turkey has or does agree to such. I am not aware of him or anyone else , other than a few here on this forum, ever saying "and we can and will do so even if Turkey does not agree." ?
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:40 pm

erolz66 wrote:Yes and I think he said that on the basis that Turkey has or does agree to such. I am not aware of him or anyone else , other than a few here on this forum, ever saying "and we can and will do so even if Turkey does not agree." ?


Can you try and stay focused instead of letting your imagination use it as an opportunity to derail and troll?
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby erolz66 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:46 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Can you try and stay focused instead of letting your imagination use it as an opportunity to derail and troll?


Do you mean will I limit my comments and views to only those aspects of a discussion that you define and dictate are relevant and suit your over all agenda ? Is that what you mean ? If it is then, then no I am afraid I will not. Sorry.
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Re: Shared Management of Europe's External Borders

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:50 pm

Oh oh - Turkey now claiming it was the Mastermind behind NATO's migrant mission and that these other reports are "fabricated":

NATO’s mission to monitor refugee flows in the Aegean Sea and combat people smugglers is the brainchild of Turkey, Ankara has stressed, rejecting reports that NATO vessels deployed in the Aegean have not yet started operating in Turkish waters because Turkey has not yet given permission.

Despite requests by NATO’s German command, “the Turks refused” this weekend to allow the vessels to enter Turkish waters, Agence France-Presse said in its report posted from Brussels, citing “a diplomatic source.”

“We don’t feel it necessary to respond to the comments, the source of which we do not know and which are obviously fabricated and most probably aimed at creating provocation,” Turkish officials told the Hürriyet Daily News on March 2. “Work is going on to have NATO activity conducted as planned,” the same officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“When you take the steps that Turkey has taken for NATO’s activity in the Aegean into consideration, it would be understood how these reports are groundless,” Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Tanju Bilgiç said on March 2, describing claims that Turkey has been blocking the mission as “nonsense.”


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