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Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:On the contrary, my mind isn't "closed" to anything connected to Turkey. That would suggest my hatred for their actions couldn't get worse ..... :P


Well I use the term open minded / closed minded in the sense of the synonyms used in dictionary definition of that word - "unbiased, unprejudiced, prejudice-free, accepting, non-partisan, neutral, non-aligned, non-judgemental, non-discriminatory, objective, disinterested, dispassionate, detached"

Clearly you use it in a different sense to these - based on , I can only speculate, what personally suits your own given need in any given situation / discussion

GreekIslandGirl wrote:For as long as Turkey continues (inter alia) to occupy Cyprus - the hatred towards their actions will increase daily.


If your views about Turkey and Turks today actually are solely or overwhelmingly the result of the events of 74 in Cyprus, then I would consider your condition to be yet another of the many many tragedies that have befallen Cypriots as a result of those events. Not as serious or saddening as loosing innocent loved ones, or being uprooted from homes and the like, but a sad consequence of those events none the less. However I am afraid I have a deep suspicion that your views on Turkey and Turks where not vastly different before the events of 74 as they were after it. I might be wrong, of course, but this does seem extremely likely to me given what I have seen of your history of posts here and judging from only that partial source of evidence.
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:43 pm

I'm not in need of your googled dictionary definitions - you seem to be the one struggling with language.

Nor do I need to justify to you why I object to Turkey's occupation of Cyprus just so that you can find an excuse to exonerate Turkey or mitigate their evil actions. Turkey's invasion in 1974 is only the continuation of their evil which started long before you moved to Cyprus. As I also indicated, Turkey's evil actions do not stop with Cyprus.
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:33 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I'm not in need of your googled dictionary definitions - you seem to be the one struggling with language.


No, clearly actual dictionary definitions of words are of little interest to you vs your own definitions made up to suit your agenda. It would indeed be hard to 'struggle with language' when you have no regard for how a dictionary defines a word vs how you choose to do so.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Nor do I need to justify to you why I object to Turkey's occupation of Cyprus just so that you can find an excuse to exonerate Turkey or mitigate their evil actions. Turkey's invasion in 1974 is only the continuation of their evil which started long before you moved to Cyprus. As I also indicated, Turkey's evil actions do not stop with Cyprus.


No you do not have to do or not do anything other than by choice. You do not have to relentlessly display here on this forum a hatred of all Turks and everything connected to Turkey. You choose to do it.

Anyway this 'subject' interests me and I am going to 'muse' about it further, regardless of our 'bipolar spats'. I chose to.

I saw the other day (indirectly, snippets via actually watching gogglebox) a BBC TV Program about the operation of the Crown Prosecution Services. This particular episode recounted an event, where a young man driving a high powered porsche lost control of the vehicle, crossed into the lanes of on coming traffic and hit head on a car with a mother taking her young son to school. The young boy died as a result of the injuries he sustained in the crash, the mother and driver of the porsche survived. I felt for the mother as anyone would. The case went to court and the porsche driver was found guilty and was sentenced to 12 months community service and a 12 months driving ban. I felt that , even with the limited information I had, the sentence was incredibly light, given that an innocent boy lost his life as a result of the incident. However I literally openly wept when the mother expressed her view that the sentence was 'fair' and that she did not want another persons life to be ruined by what was a 'momentary lapse' or for such ruin to be the legacy of her sons death and that she had meet with the porsche driver and that he was a young and good man who had made a mistake.

So what does this have to do with anything ? What point am I trying to make here, to get across ?

That someone can have a hatred for a person, an ethnicity, a nation because of wrongs committed by that person / ethnicity / nation, historic or ongoing is totally understandable. Yet this is, I believe, ultimately a matter of choice not compulsion. In the context of the Cyprus problem specifically it seems to me that often those who were most directly victims of horrendous experiences of the many tragedies that have befallen Cypriots, they are often the very ones who chose to refuse to let that turn into hatred of other ethnicities / nations. That they make this choice because they were so directly personally affected not despite it, it seems to me at least.

Do I think I have even one ounce of the courage, nobility, strength and humanity that the mother I described above displayed and which display left me openly weeping ? No I do not think this. I do however aspire to have an ounce or more of such. I do make a conscious effort to try and not give in to hatred. What is more I believe that if we are to find a better future for all Cypriots than that which we have managed to create to date, then we all or large numbers of us have to aspire to similar.
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Probably 'Midnight Express' may have come to mind for a lot of the people involved - which might account for how terrified she was by being manhandled and detained for using her mobile - and not wanting to repeat a "Midnight Express" scenario may have helped terminate the detention.


Unfortunately exactly the same thing happens in the occupied. Carry a video camera with you and start shooting in the occupied you may end up in prison for no reason!
The excuse or reason call it whatever you like is you were shooting near a "military area" :o
It almost happened to myself when a kind TC approached me and advised me to stop shooting as it was risky...
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:54 pm

erolz66 wrote: ... However I literally openly wept when the mother expressed her view that the sentence was 'fair' and that she did not want another persons life to be ruined by what was a 'momentary lapse'.


Can anyone stoop lower in their relentless posting to mitigate Turkey's atrocities?

How DISGRACEFUL of you to liken Turkey's evil conduct in deliberately killing thousands and carrying out genocide against whole nations to that of a "momentary lapse", an accident where a little boy was killed!

Your aims to exonerate Turkey are disgusting!
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:58 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Unfortunately exactly the same thing happens in the occupied. Carry a video camera with you and start shooting in the occupied you may end up in prison for no reason!
The excuse or reason call it whatever you like is you were shooting near a "military area" :o
It almost happened to myself when a kind TC approached me and advised me to stop shooting as it was risky...


Do you think there are no areas within the RoC within which it is prescribed to take photographs, video, use binoculars ? That doing such in these areas could not potentially lead to some kind of investigation and even prosecution ? Please do not think I am saying the degree in the RoC is necessary the same, but I think there is a similarity of 'principal' no ? Could I really walk around with impunity in the South outside say an army base, peering in with binoculars and filming and photographing without someone coming to investigate what I was up to ? I doubt I could do so in the UK or USA or the RoC to be honest.

Personally in an age of the internet and google maps, I think such laws and 'sensitivity' to such things is ludicrous and are these days 'artefacts' of 'inertia' rather than actual need, but I do question if it such things are unique to the north, as a matter of principal if not degree ?
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Probably 'Midnight Express' may have come to mind for a lot of the people involved - which might account for how terrified she was by being manhandled and detained for using her mobile - and not wanting to repeat a "Midnight Express" scenario may have helped terminate the detention.


Unfortunately exactly the same thing happens in the occupied. Carry a video camera with you and start shooting in the occupied you may end up in prison for no reason!
The excuse or reason call it whatever you like is you were shooting near a "military area" :o
It almost happened to myself when a kind TC approached me and advised me to stop shooting as it was risky...


Yes, I recall some news about two Dutch people disappearing after they were accosted by some Turkish troops for being too close. I never found out what happened to them. Then again, of course, we have had killings just for "being there", touching their flags etc.
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:06 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: Can anyone stoop lower in their relentless posting to mitigate Turkey's atrocities?

How DISGRACEFUL of you to liken Turkey's evil conduct in deliberately killing thousands and carrying out genocide against whole nations to that of a "momentary lapse", an accident where a little boy was killed!

Your aims to exonerate Turkey are disgusting!


I was not arguing or suggesting 'equivalence' at all in the way you are trying to make out. What is more I strongly suspect you know I was not doing so, yet make the claim I was anyway, because doing so suits your agenda. That this is what you do here. What you have always done here imo. I was talking about how 'giving in to hatred' is a choice. A choice I try hard to make as far as I possibly can. I choice that if what we really want is a better Cyprus for all Cypriots than that which we have today, rather than just wanting to 'win' and the 'other side' to loose- whatever that might mean, then this is a personal choice we all need to make. Not easy and not something I or anyone may succeed in doing all the time but something we should all strive to do. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it, just as you are entitled to try and distort what I was and am actually trying to express to suit an agenda of making out what a disgusting person I am.
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:07 pm

erolz66 wrote:In the context of the Cyprus problem specifically it seems to me that often those who were most directly victims of horrendous experiences of the many tragedies that have befallen Cypriots, they are often the very ones who chose to refuse to let that turn into hatred of other ethnicities / nations. That they make this choice because they were so directly personally affected not despite it, it seems to me at least.


Do you know why? Because while they were suffering people from the same "enemy camp" stood by them /helped then/shared their pain/ showed empathy.
I personally appreciated the TC who approached and advised me about the video camera.
In the end I made up my mind that these things happen when a place is run by the military-it's not because of the people themselves are bad.Similar things were going on in Greece under the Junta.
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Re: Midnight Express II - the Sequel?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:18 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I recall some news about two Dutch people disappearing after they were accosted by some Turkish troops for being too close. I never found out what happened to them. Then again, of course, we have had killings just for "being there", touching their flags etc.


Taken 5 the sequel ? More like Fantasia the sequel I suspect.
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