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Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

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Do you think Turkey's many atrocities (e.g. the invasion of Cyprus) are forgivable:


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Yes - because they were momentary mistakes
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Yes - because they were accidents
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No - because they were intentional
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Yes - but for other reasons (please state)
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No - but for other reasons (please state)
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Total votes : 4

Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:38 pm

I accept, morally, there are those presumed innocent - as would Bir's father have been unless caught red-handed, which he was not.

Right now, it's more pertinent how many TCs are guilty of enabling Turkey to illegally occupy Cyprus.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:23 pm

Was my uncle innocent or not ?

Is someone innocent only until you declare here they are not, as you did with my uncle, based on nothing more than some one else entirely being guilty and despite actual evidence in the form of credible 'character witnesses' like Mr Demetriou, or not ?

Are they only 'morally presumed innocent', even when you state they were not innocent, as you did ?

What did you mean when you said "I don't know of any innocent TCs being killed" ? Are you now saying you meant that "you did not know of any TC that were 'morally presumed innocent' but were in fact guilty, just like Birs father, being killed ?" Is THAT your 'argument' ?

Was my uncle innocent of actions that would have rendered his murder 'not wrong' and 'not evil', or not ?

You will not answer these things, despite all you have already said and claimed only hours before. I strongly suspect you are not capable of doing answering these things.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:26 pm

The core of the TMT was only about 1000 persons in a population of about 120K.
After 1963 nearly every TC village or ghetto area had a resident General from Turkey controlling the place and it's TMT officers.
This doesn't mean the majority of TCs were anything but ordinary people.
There have been crimes against ordinary TCs, and they were intentional and in many cases planned..
They are not forgivable and the GCs were not as innocent as GIG thinks they were.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:34 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:This doesn't mean the majority of TCs were anything but ordinary people.
There have been crimes against ordinary TCs, and they were intentional and in many cases planned..
They are not forgivable and the GCs were not as innocent as GIG thinks they were.


Thank you.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby miltiades » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:54 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The core of the TMT was only about 1000 persons in a population of about 120K.
After 1963 nearly every TC village or ghetto area had a resident General from Turkey controlling the place and it's TMT officers.
This doesn't mean the majority of TCs were anything but ordinary people.
There have been crimes against ordinary TCs, and they were intentional and in many cases planned..
They are not forgivable and the GCs were not as innocent as GIG thinks they were.

The vast majority of both G/Cs and T/Cs were and still are decent family orientated people.
The extremists from both sides focused their attention on pseudo nationalism and embraced either Greece or Turkey as their motherlands. Yes we are G/Cs and yes our compatriots are T/Cs but above all else we are predominantly Cypriots. If we all embraced our island as Cypriots first our division would soon be over.

Here I have to admit that my views are not necessarily shared by all but they are views that have the interests of our common homeland on the forefront.

Turkey after almost half a century still occupies our northern parts. The T/Cs can not possibly want to be a part of this nation that has become increasingly a dictatorship and progressively islamatized.
Freedom of thought and expression does not meet with the approval of Sultan Erdogan as recently proven by the take over of Turkeys most popular newspaper.

We Cypriots have nothing to gain either by Greece or Turkey.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:36 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The core of the TMT was only about 1000 persons in a population of about 120K.
After 1963 nearly every TC village or ghetto area had a resident General from Turkey controlling the place and it's TMT officers.
This doesn't mean the majority of TCs were anything but ordinary people.
There have been crimes against ordinary TCs, and they were intentional and in many cases planned..
They are not forgivable and the GCs were not as innocent as GIG thinks they were.


I agree that intentional killings are not forgivable - but under the circumstances of 1950s and early 1960s, GCs were still fighting for freedom and democracy for Cyprus and were by and large opposed by TCs and their leaders. The GCs were put into a position of defending their homeland against attack from Turkey, TMT and accomplice TCs.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:40 pm

I will take this opportunity, though, to say how deeply sorry I am that Erolz's family suffered along with so many others, from something that should never have happened, that was preventable if we all accepted democracy.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:49 pm

Thank you Pyrpolizer, thank you Y. Your posts give me hope for the future of our beautiful island. As for GIG? I'd love there to be a solution that will be fair and just for both communities one day. It would be brilliant to see you face to face one day to tell you what a waste the education your parents paid for has been.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:59 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I agree that intentional killings are not forgivable - but under the circumstances of 1950s and early 1960s, GCs were still fighting for freedom and democracy for Cyprus and were by and large opposed by TCs and their leaders. The GCs were put into a position of defending their homeland against attack from Turkey, TMT and accomplice TCs.


In 1964 a numerically dominant GC population, in effective dominant control of all the organs of the state, did not need bands of armed illegal militia, acting with impunity to carry out extra judicial revenge killing of ordinary TC, like that of my Uncle, in ratios of 10 or more to 1 for every GC killed, in order to defending their homeland against attack from Turkey, TMT and accomplice TC. The suggestion they did is to me absurd and an nothing more than an attempt to 'wash clean' the hands of those GC that did these things in this period as part of a wider propaganda based narrative. The reality is, imo, acts such as these did nothing to protect ordinary GC at all and actually increased the only real danger and risk to the GC community in Cyprus at that time, that of military action by Turkey in Cyprus.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby B25 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:03 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:The core of the TMT was only about 1000 persons in a population of about 120K.
After 1963 nearly every TC village or ghetto area had a resident General from Turkey controlling the place and it's TMT officers.
This doesn't mean the majority of TCs were anything but ordinary people.
There have been crimes against ordinary TCs, and they were intentional and in many cases planned..
They are not forgivable and the GCs were not as innocent as GIG thinks they were.


GiG never claimed that the GCs were angels, she stated clearly they were fighting an aggressor that invaded killed and usurped our country. TCs are also as guilty as sin and to portrait them as victims is just f disgusting. Next time you want to go buy you cheap knock offs on the other side, throw them a few pennies from me as compensation.

Tell us Pyro, how many TCs were killed against how many GCs were. I am not saying two wrongs make a right, but just who is the victim here. So Erolz uncle got killed so what about the innocent GCs that were also murdered in a similar manner. What about the missing 1600 GC men and boys or are we to put Erolz uncle above them???

TCs talk with a double forked tongue, just be careful you don't get caught in their web.

I should add that when the TCs own up to their own failings and treachery I might just show them some respect. But I won't hold my breath based on what get said on here.
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