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Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

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Do you think Turkey's many atrocities (e.g. the invasion of Cyprus) are forgivable:


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Yes - because they were momentary mistakes
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Yes - because they were accidents
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No - because they were intentional
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B25, GreekIslandGirl, Oceanside50, Pyrpolizer
Yes - but for other reasons (please state)
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No - but for other reasons (please state)
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Total votes : 4

Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby erolz66 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:55 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote: and the numbers are about the same for GCs and TCs so i disagree with Erolz that the ratio was 1:10


I must apologise here and say that I too am of the belief the number of those killed in that period were about the same and that the implication in my post that overall in this period the ratio was 10:1 is not correct, It was not. I did not express myself clearly enough and I should have done. The specific series of events that my Uncle was a victim of had a ratio in that region but this was not the ratio or pattern over all in this period. I do think it is worth noting how 'different perspectives' work on such things. To me the equal numbers killed in absolute terms' shows that TC suffered more deaths, relative to population size in this period. From another perspective it also shows that TC had more 'criminals amongst their ranks' relative to population size (or same number but TC criminals were more ready to kill per criminal, than GC criminals). Neither conclusion is 'wrong' per se but it is interesting to me as an example of how 'perspective' shapes such things.

Pyrpolizer wrote:My point is nobody was innocent in this. Furthermore I AM NOT BUYING the myth that from 1960-1974 the GCs were fighting for freedom.


Just for reciprocity I am not buying into the myth, nor ever have done, that there was a 'genocide plan' on the part of GC (the GC leadership of that time) aimed at TC. There are in fact countless myths of my side that I do not buy in to but this is just one example.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby Sotos » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:23 pm

Both sides were victims. Both sides were perpetrator. My reality is that I no longer care who was the 'worst' perpetrator or who was the 'first' perpetrator.


The problem with your approach is that you define "TCs" and "GCs" as the two sides. For us the "other" side is not just the TCs, but the Turks in general. We have been under the Ottomans for centuries and today it is Turkey's army which is occupying 1/3rd of Cyprus. You can't leave the mainland Turks out of the equation. You can put mainland Greeks in the equation as well... but their direct involvement has been brief and not to the same degree.... they certainly want very little to do with Cyprus today.
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Re: Poll - And the moral of the story is ....

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:17 pm

...Sotos has a point, i was never afraid of my neighbour (who were turcophones), just across the fence that divided our two properties, but i, and i would guess the most of us (our village), were afraid of authority generally speaking.

Talking about perspective, beside the "Greek" perspective, and the "Turkish" perspective, there is the "Mixed" perspective, given that these were the labels that were imposed on Cypriots, at the time.
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