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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:25 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
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ecigs will slowly take you away from cigs, but you're still addicted to nicotine and the smoking cigs habit can come back anytime. the one method i heard of is smoking marijuana whenever you get the urge to smoke cigs. the marijuana will dent the craving to nicotine, doing it for a week will get you off the nicotine addiction.



Oh nice :roll: :lol:
You don't want me to end up in jail, or a marijuana addict, or a marijuana+cigarette addict do you?
Marijuana is illegal here my friend, even the idea I would mess up with narcotics and drug dealers scares me.
Sorry.



You are already involved with narcotics, tobacco one of the most addictive substances on earth ,Marijuana is not addictive.. Being extreme is not a bad thing sometimes..drug dealers are normal people, just like a fridge/car salesman, don't worry about that..


Nicotine is addictive alright but the damage it can do to the body is so insignificant that compares the same as that of caffeine. Google it.
I am not sure Marijuana is non addictive as you claim, but I personally witnessed how it can change one's brains and cause severe behavior problems.Nicotine doesn't do that! Alcohol does though.
I had an employee once that would constantly forget the most recent, and important facts. One day he just forgot where he put the keys of the company car, while he also had lost the spare key we had. How more irresponsible could he be? I just fired him. We never found the keys and we paid some 200 Euros to the Agency to ship us a set from Germany.
After I fired him, some other employee asked me how on earth I never knew he was on marijuana :roll:
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:30 pm

I used to smoke early 80s up to 30 a day. Decided to stop and that was it never again. you need one thing to be able to do it and that is strong willpower.
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:43 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:...the one method i heard of is smoking marijuana whenever you get the urge to smoke cigs. the marijuana will dent the craving to nicotine, doing it for a week will get you off the nicotine addiction.

You ignorant bum… :roll: can’t you see you’ve got the IQ of a dung beetle? :lol:

Marijuana, has slowly but surely fucked your brain up into thinking it does no damage! :lol:

Keep smoking shit that chews away at your brain cells and you’ll be a loser all your life. :wink:
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby miltiades » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:14 pm

Lordo wrote:I used to smoke early 80s up to 30 a day. Decided to stop and that was it never again. you need one thing to be able to do it and that is strong willpower.


So you gave it up in your mid fifties :lol:
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:25 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:...the one method i heard of is smoking marijuana whenever you get the urge to smoke cigs. the marijuana will dent the craving to nicotine, doing it for a week will get you off the nicotine addiction.

You ignorant bum… :roll: can’t you see you’ve got the IQ of a dung beetle? :lol:

Marijuana, has slowly but surely fucked your brain up into thinking it does no damage! :lol:

Keep smoking shit that chews away at your brain cells and you’ll be a loser all your life. :wink:


How much whiskey did you drink this weekend? I don't smoke it, too many randomn tests, for truckers. But I've seen it work on chemo patients and heart patients. When was the last time a shot of whiskey helped anything
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:54 pm

...anything to excess is dangerous, the issue are limits, knowing them.

Education is key, without it the balance that is needed for successful enterprise, where there are greater choices, is lost. Collectively, we depend on each and everyone of us being equal at least in our intentions toward each other. A drug addict, like a banker without control, have as a nature, no charity, it is what defines them; but they are not the root cause of their malice, if in affect the tools they have to defend themselves did/do not exist. In the end, we are all bound to improve ourselves, and to adapt, living in a world imperfect, our own flaws can be accommodated, but we must also change as well.

...smoking (drug use), cannot be stopped. Providing with its use the recognition and respect it deserves, is a safer alternative to young people as persons providing for themselves (as young people do) an alternative culture that which is outside of an established norm. It costs pennies to make a package of cigarettes, it does not cost much to make alcohol either, and anyone can do it, naturally; why are they so expensive to purchase, why do people willingly pay such a price? I think that people will pay more for the satisfaction of smoking a toxic cigarette (and they will consume them differently) from the past, so to speak, having a choice, a wider selection of smoking habits. I think that like alcohol with a meal, establishments exist for this purpose, alcohol and tobacco, a cigarette after a meal, other forms of smoke, they can all be Licensed, people pay accordingly, and it is a matter of price; otherwise the harm they cause socially will/can fester, uncontrolled. There are good reasons, for pleasure; some pleasure, like too much of a pleasure, is bad.
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby tsukoui » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:19 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Having lost a couple of relatives (barely reaching mid-life) to lung cancer from smoking, I would be the first to welcome any possible distancing from this damaging habit.

But signs are that e-cigarettes/vaping are being taken up by those who would normally have avoided cigarettes because of the cost and health risks.

Unfortunately, just as when tobacco-use first entered our cultures and was deemed 'safe'/healthy, these vapours entering people's lungs carrying any number of other chemicals in the guise of 'flavours' are probably going to be found to have ill-effects some 20 years down the line too.

- I'm actually quite angry about this introduction and the advertising going into it to trap young people!

Let us talk about cigarettes... there is Earth, Wind and Fire... no love... there is addiction... actually it is more scientific than Water... shi shu... cigarettes bind things to you... if you do a good deed... then karma plays a role and you are rewarded with good health... but be careful what you bind to you... problems you can't handle will result in bad repercussions... and even death... Britain is so concerned about ordinary workers taking on the problems of the state that they are trying to make sure the Imperial tobacco companies can't do business... the solution... natural... tea? no sugar?
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:22 pm

...no advertising, i can accept that, at this point. At some point one hopes that in terms of information, the ability to make a rational choice, is achieved. At that point, Free Expression needs no limits.
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Re: Electronic cigarettes

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:42 pm

According to DSM-V there is a disorder known as "cannabis use disorder" , which is an addiction type disorder.
The signs are Experiencing two or more of the following symptoms within a 12-month period :
You use larger amounts over a longer period.
You want to cut back but you just can’t stop using.
You spend too much time trying to get marijuana.
You have strong cravings and desire to use.
You can no longer meet obligations at work, school or home.
Using affects your relationships.
You continue to use even in hazardous situations.
You continue using even when it presents physical or psychological problems.
You develop a tolerance. (a) You need more to achieve the same high and (b) you experience a diminished effect when using the same amount.
You experience withdrawal symptoms or you take it to relieve/avoid withdrawal symptoms.

It is not as addictive as other stuff, tobacco is apparently the most addictive substance with 31.9 percent of all users becoming addicted. Heroin has the second highest addiction rate (23.1 percent), followed by cocaine (16.7 percent) and alcohol (15.4 percent), but seemingly between 9% and 17% of cannabis users can be come addicted - depending on age at time of first regular use.

As to e-Ciggies very little testing has been done but some of that which has shows that e-ciggies can still contain carcinogens and other toxic stuff - not as much as a in baccy ciggies - but then according to some there is apparently no such thing as a safe level for such substances - just reduced risk - but it is also money up in steam rather than money up in smoke.

Glad I am not addicted to anything...
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