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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby observer » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:03 am

kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...curious MrH, for your ideal bit of land, where "Turkishness" could be developed without the need to do anything else with anyone else; needing the rest of the island's approval, what do you imagine, 4%, 7%?

come on rw have you just joined simpletons. it will be 27% and it will include gcs who wish to live in the north. it really could not be clearer.

It will be bollocks, kuz. 100% free is the only solution we will accept...


Doesn't seem to have worked for the last 40+ years. And every month that passes means that GCs and TCs who have done well from partition grow more in number. So what you will accept grows increasingly irrelevant.
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby kurupetos » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:18 am

observer wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...curious MrH, for your ideal bit of land, where "Turkishness" could be developed without the need to do anything else with anyone else; needing the rest of the island's approval, what do you imagine, 4%, 7%?

come on rw have you just joined simpletons. it will be 27% and it will include gcs who wish to live in the north. it really could not be clearer.

It will be bollocks, kuz. 100% free is the only solution we will accept...


Doesn't seem to have worked for the last 40+ years. And every month that passes means that GCs and TCs who have done well from partition grow more in number. So what you will accept grows increasingly irrelevant.

Only if you are a fool that thinks the Cyprus problem is a bi-communal issue. :lol:
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby observer » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:24 am

Not a fully understandable reply given the situation on the ground. If 100% is your only solution that is acceptable, there won't be a solution.
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:23 am

...interesting, observer, you talk of "them", which makes me wonder, if you are not "them", are you Cypriot?
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby MrH » Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:26 pm

It's clearly of no mystery that Turkey is seeking a THREE Step Political process for Cyprus as she doesn't want to be left with the TRNC ONLY! (and for that reason, and for the fact that Turkey has truly never really Championed its Recognition as the Greek Cypriot know it could easily have done (at least via the Turkic states and OIC as a start!), the following will make perfect sense:

Step One:
Using the 1979 High Level agreements and many following failed UN plans since 1983, Turkey has always managed to force the UN Negotiations in formulating a "Federal" formula based on TWO Constituent Federated States, thus dissolving the Current TRNC and ROC and shining a new "United Cyprus Federal Republic".

Step Two:
After a short term as operating as the new United Cyprus Republic, prepare for Turkey's driven Economic and Political influence, together with that of it's Population increase in large number within the "Turkish Cypriot State" in fully uniting the island based upon its own methods. The Turkish Cypriots will also use their "Federal" state influence in setting the legal positioning of Turkey's plan in motion.

Step Three:
After mass migration from Turkey (both Business, humanitarian based forced migration and Commerce), including Turkey's large Economic and channels of Distribution secured in Cyprus, formulate a new Bi-Partnership plan dissolving the Federal state and Welcoming a Majority Turkish populated Island of Cyprus with complete Turkish influence and control.

OR

Step One of Today:
Accept the realities of a TWO Republic state and at least keep your Greek Cypriot lead ROC "Hellenic" at least!!

* Please note, you may laugh at the above, but please only do so after understanding what happened to the former Federal Yugoslavia, Constitutional (international) Law, and how truly Un-influential and corrupt the EU is, why Switzerland and Norway will never accept EU entry and why the UK is so desperate to leave too! (it's true reasons for "Brexit" and not the one you read in newspapers) - Also, why and how a Cyprus before the EU with its strong Economy and Cyprus-Pound suddenly fell into huge economic hardship and is now living on borrowed money (from their banks, treasury and IMF) in the form of unplayable Credits!

If you understand Economics, properly, at that level, you will understand the true meaning of what I have told you above.

But then again, if you are on this forum you probably won't (funny), so I am hoping that one of you will know a few Greek Cypriot ministers and will forward this to them!
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby MR-from-NG » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:40 pm

MrH wrote:It's clearly of no mystery that Turkey is seeking a THREE Step Political process for Cyprus as she doesn't want to be left with the TRNC ONLY! (and for that reason, and for the fact that Turkey has truly never really Championed its Recognition as the Greek Cypriot know it could easily have done (at least via the Turkic states and OIC as a start!), the following will make perfect sense:

Step One:
Using the 1979 High Level agreements and many following failed UN plans since 1983, Turkey has always managed to force the UN Negotiations in formulating a "Federal" formula based on TWO Constituent Federated States, thus dissolving the Current TRNC and ROC and shining a new "United Cyprus Federal Republic".

Step Two:
After a short term as operating as the new United Cyprus Republic, prepare for Turkey's driven Economic and Political influence, together with that of it's Population increase in large number within the "Turkish Cypriot State" in fully uniting the island based upon its own methods. The Turkish Cypriots will also use their "Federal" state influence in setting the legal positioning of Turkey's plan in motion.

Step Three:
After mass migration from Turkey (both Business, humanitarian based forced migration and Commerce), including Turkey's large Economic and channels of Distribution secured in Cyprus, formulate a new Bi-Partnership plan dissolving the Federal state and Welcoming a Majority Turkish populated Island of Cyprus with complete Turkish influence and control.

OR

Step One of Today:
Accept the realities of a TWO Republic state and at least keep your Greek Cypriot lead ROC "Hellenic" at least!!

* Please note, you may laugh at the above, but please only do so after understanding what happened to the former Federal Yugoslavia, Constitutional (international) Law, and how truly Un-influential and corrupt the EU is, why Switzerland and Norway will never accept EU entry and why the UK is so desperate to leave too! (it's true reasons for "Brexit" and not the one you read in newspapers) - Also, why and how a Cyprus before the EU with its strong Economy and Cyprus-Pound suddenly fell into huge economic hardship and is now living on borrowed money (from their banks, treasury and IMF) in the form of unplayable Credits!

If you understand Economics, properly, at that level, you will understand the true meaning of what I have told you above.

But then again, if you are on this forum you probably won't (funny), so I am hoping that one of you will know a few Greek Cypriot ministers and will forward this to them!

This is scary. Who in their right mind would want so many Turks settling in Cyprus? We want Cyprus for Cypriots, not full of undesirables from Turkey. I'm a TC and I'm against this plan. How do you expect my GC compatriots to react? I hope this never becomes reality.
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:57 pm

...well said MR-from-NG, thank-you.

...there is a big difference between a Turk, and a "Turk", just as there is a big difference between "Greeks", and Greek; it is something to think about in Cyprus.
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby Sotos » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:35 pm

MrH we are not idiots to accept any "solution" that will make the whole Cyprus a protectorate of Turkey. We overwhelmingly rejected the Anan plan ... remember? We will only vote for a solution if it will give to us the control of our whole island to ensure that none of what you say will ever happen. Otherwise there will simply be no solution. We will maintain our rights over the whole Cyprus, the Turkish occupation will continue to be illegal and on the right time we will strike back and liberate our lands ;) That time might not be any time soon but we can wait... can you? I think you are making a mistake of choosing the Turks over us. Choosing Turkey might have been a good move for you in the 50s and 60s... but your greed is leading you to destruction. You are trying to play both us and the Turks in some game where you think you can come out as the big winners. Unfortunately (for you) you will be the biggest losers. Even in the worst case scenario (for us) that we decide to give up and accept partition... that partition will be nothing like you dream about (bbf). We would simply cut a deal with Turkey directly where they will return significant parts of land to us and in return we will give them part of Cyprus as their own Turkish district. In a single day TCs will find themselves from being citizens of an EU country to being Turkish citizens... and after that nobody in Turkey will ever care about you again because they would have achieved their objective and you would be useless to them. You are way overplaying your hand and you will pay for this.. and you will have only yourselves to blame ;)
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby boulio » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:38 pm

Turkey will never except two states on the island.
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Re: Why TURKEY always beats the GCs on the table?

Postby Sotos » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:44 pm

boulio wrote:Turkey will never except two states on the island.


Turkey certainly wants the whole Cyprus as their banana republic... but they can't get everything they want, it is not up to them. If we were to ever accept partition it wouldn't be "two states on the island". We can get better than that and Turkey can get better than that, so why would both Cyprus and Turkey get a worst deal that benefits the TCs instead of getting the maximum possible for themselves? TCs are irrelevant... Turkey just uses them to waste our time. There will never be any agreement with the negotiations with the TCs. If Turkey ever gets serious about making a deal then they will talk to us directly.
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