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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Sat May 07, 2016 7:32 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, but it is interesting that they have to round quite a few people up and force them to go to the mosque. This suggests that not everybody there is as devout as some would suggest.


Probably many are even Atheist.

Don't listen to the propaganda. The Religious police are not rounding up anyone and forcing them to attend mosque. They wouldn't be able to cope if everyone was forced to attend.

They are more into dress codes and things like that. And Saudi Arabia is a very corrupt country, so not everyone is equal. For instance, westerners are by enlarge overlooked.


Not quite true about Being Muslim for life, though due to very strict laws on apostacy and heresy in many countries, eg Pakistan, and often used for political purposes in eg Saudi Arabia or Iraq to deal with, sometimes kill opponents, the number of those who will admit to losing faith in the word of Mohamed (cursed be his name) is small. One is more likely to find apostacy in the west.


Even in the West, say the UK for instance, if you openly renounce your faith as a Muslim you are at least a complete outcast from their society and your family and at worst your life is in danger. The Koran I believe(?) does make it clear that there is no option in Islam to chose another path? Put this into context of living in Saudi or any of the extreme ME States I suggest you would be signing your own death warrant? :|
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat May 07, 2016 7:46 am

Robin Hood wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, but it is interesting that they have to round quite a few people up and force them to go to the mosque. This suggests that not everybody there is as devout as some would suggest.


Probably many are even Atheist.

Don't listen to the propaganda. The Religious police are not rounding up anyone and forcing them to attend mosque. They wouldn't be able to cope if everyone was forced to attend.

They are more into dress codes and things like that. And Saudi Arabia is a very corrupt country, so not everyone is equal. For instance, westerners are by enlarge overlooked.


Not quite true about Being Muslim for life, though due to very strict laws on apostacy and heresy in many countries, eg Pakistan, and often used for political purposes in eg Saudi Arabia or Iraq to deal with, sometimes kill opponents, the number of those who will admit to losing faith in the word of Mohamed (cursed be his name) is small. One is more likely to find apostacy in the west.


Even in the West, say the UK for instance, if you openly renounce your faith as a Muslim you are at least a complete outcast from their society and your family and at worst your life is in danger. The Koran I believe(?) does make it clear that there is no option in Islam to chose another path? Put this into context of living in Saudi or any of the extreme ME States I suggest you would be signing your own death warrant? :|


Indeed. It is a religion run largely on fear and represents all that is bad about organised relgion, involving thought control if not out and out brain washing. Those who denounce the faith must be removed if not killed, against the concern that if those views spread then power structures, i.e. men over women and the imams, muftis and caliphs over society, where authority allegedly derives from god will be overthrown.

There is no god, at least no Allah, as preached by Mohamed, cursed be his name.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat May 07, 2016 7:46 am

Robin Hood wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, but it is interesting that they have to round quite a few people up and force them to go to the mosque. This suggests that not everybody there is as devout as some would suggest.


Probably many are even Atheist.

Don't listen to the propaganda. The Religious police are not rounding up anyone and forcing them to attend mosque. They wouldn't be able to cope if everyone was forced to attend.

They are more into dress codes and things like that. And Saudi Arabia is a very corrupt country, so not everyone is equal. For instance, westerners are by enlarge overlooked.


Not quite true about Being Muslim for life, though due to very strict laws on apostacy and heresy in many countries, eg Pakistan, and often used for political purposes in eg Saudi Arabia or Iraq to deal with, sometimes kill opponents, the number of those who will admit to losing faith in the word of Mohamed (cursed be his name) is small. One is more likely to find apostacy in the west.


Even in the West, say the UK for instance, if you openly renounce your faith as a Muslim you are at least a complete outcast from their society and your family and at worst your life is in danger. The Koran I believe(?) does make it clear that there is no option in Islam to chose another path? Put this into context of living in Saudi or any of the extreme ME States I suggest you would be signing your own death warrant? :|


Indeed. It is a religion run largely on fear and represents all that is bad about organised relgion, involving thought control if not out and out brain washing. Those who denounce the faith must be removed if not killed, against the concern that if those views spread then power structures, i.e. men over women and the imams, muftis and caliphs over society, where authority allegedly derives from god will be overthrown.

There is no god, at least no Allah, as preached by Mohamed, cursed be his name.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 07, 2016 8:13 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, but it is interesting that they have to round quite a few people up and force them to go to the mosque. This suggests that not everybody there is as devout as some would suggest.


Probably many are even Atheist.

Don't listen to the propaganda. The Religious police are not rounding up anyone and forcing them to attend mosque. They wouldn't be able to cope if everyone was forced to attend.

They are more into dress codes and things like that. And Saudi Arabia is a very corrupt country, so not everyone is equal. For instance, westerners are by enlarge overlooked.


Not quite true about Being Muslim for life, though due to very strict laws on apostacy and heresy in many countries, eg Pakistan, and often used for political purposes in eg Saudi Arabia or Iraq to deal with, sometimes kill opponents, the number of those who will admit to losing faith in the word of Mohamed (cursed be his name) is small. One is more likely to find apostacy in the west.


Don't be fooled.

Atheism and Apostasy does exist in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. But due to strict laws, it is not out in the open.

The elites are educated usually in the top universities of the USA, such as Harvard and Princeton. They know where they stand, and they know where they would like to be. But it is a very slow burn and not possible in the short term, without causing a revolution.

Don't be fooled because a lot of them are better educated than you and I.

Right now, all of Wall Street is in their hands, and they are buying everything they can get their hands on along with China. They are ensuring their future prosperity and in time, they will change societal attitudes.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat May 07, 2016 8:17 am

Anyway, if, as many believe, this was part of a dirty smear campaign in the desperate attempt to prevent Labour from winning the election for London mayor, it was a dismal failure.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat May 07, 2016 8:40 am

Of course there are atheists in the Arabian peninsula; they just for the most part keep it to themselves.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Sat May 07, 2016 12:24 pm

:roll: Paphitis:
Atheism and Apostasy does exist in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. But due to strict laws, it is not out in the open.
There are oddities in all facets of society, are we not talking about the norms? There are paedophile MP’s, adulterous celebrities, cheating sportsmen/women, racialists and anti-Semites but none of them demonstrates their failings openly.

But, if a Methodist suddenly decides to become a Catholic then our western society will just accept their decision and they only upset some of their former and more extreme friends. Not so with Islam ..... that is why I said it is Haram (Forbidden) to switch or deny your religion ..... you are trapped and often, not because of your choice but that of your parents. A weird religion, but just one of many ..... albeit the most extreme!
The elites are educated usually in the top universities of the USA, such as Harvard and Princeton. They know where they stand, and they know where they would like to be. But it is a very slow burn and not possible in the short term, without causing a revolution.

Don't be fooled because a lot of them are better educated than you and I.

I agree with that but there is a difference between ‘them’ and ‘us’. If you have ever worked with Saudis’s or Indians or Pakistani’s you will soon realise that most often they are just that ..... ‘The Elites’ of their society, they are not representative of the masses! They have the money to buy their privileges. One thing stands out with these Elites, they all have phenomenal memories ......... to the extent that many have the ability to memorise several hundred pages of a specification and have instant recall by page number. This is why they have these Madrassers, their brains are trained to memorise but not to question!

They are excellent at remembering what is needed to pass exams but the majority don’t have a clue when it comes to applying acquired knowledge. Our western brains seemed to be wired differently ......... crap memory but know where to look for the information and then apply it. I have worked with Indians who have not one or two degrees .... but three and a couple of Doctorates ..... and they would not know how to sharpen a pencil without reading an instruction book, but once read ...... never forgotten.
Right now, all of Wall Street is in their hands, and they are buying everything they can get their hands on along with China.

I agree again! They have been paid by the US in their currency the Petro-Dollar, that the US banks produce out of thin air. The major reserve currencies all do it,. They then spend it where it came from in the first place by converting this fiat currency to true wealth. These are the people buying up the Cyprus Banks NPL’s! They get the wealth at a knock down price by converting these IOU’s to real wealth. I wonder what will happen when the Chinese, Saudi’s, Russians tell the west ...... ' We own you ..... they are our factories, our banks, our docks, our airports etc ....... you lot work for us!!!!!
They are ensuring their future prosperity and in time, they will change societal attitudes.

For that read ’......... they will change our society’ ...... and certainly to for our benefit!

You see ...... money comes into everything in our modern society. learn the secrets of money/wealth, as they have, and we can defeat them! :roll: :wink: ,.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 07, 2016 1:54 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Of course there are atheists in the Arabian peninsula; they just for the most part keep it to themselves.


Tim,

Some Gulf States are absolutely amazing. Without question, the UAE is just out of this world. QATAR is fast catching up, and Oman is also following suit.

What will happen in time, is that Saudi Arabia will converge upon the smaller Gulf States. Already women suffrage has been achieved. Next steps would be allowing them to drive, legalizing alcohol in certain licensed venues, the abolition or a moratorium on beheadings. It is a case of one step at a time. If they did it now, it would obviously result in civil disorder and possibly another civil war just as we are seeing in Syria.

The situation in Saudi Arabia is not ideal, but it will change slowly.

And yes there is an educated elite class which have views like you and I and many are in the top echelons.

Atheism is alive and well in KSA. But it is not something you can advertise.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun May 08, 2016 7:06 am

The main purposed behind this smear campaign may well have been to prevent Labour from winning the election for London mayor. If so, it failed. A biography of Sadiq Khan, the newly elected mayor of London:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36140479

It reads like a British version of the much vaunted American dream.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Sun May 08, 2016 8:59 am

Tim Drayton wrote:The main purposed behind this smear campaign may well have been to prevent Labour from winning the election for London mayor. If so, it failed. A biography of Sadiq Khan, the newly elected mayor of London:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36140479

It reads like a British version of the much vaunted American dream.


Good luck to him, he has come up the hard-way and made a success of it, he at least deserves a chance to show what he can do. :D
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