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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun May 08, 2016 9:22 am

The target was not the London Mayor but JC. There have been numerous reports in the press that he allegedly associates with alleged extremist supportersof terrorism, which supposedly he does not condemn adequately. The religion of the London Mayoral candidate provided another opportunity, appealing to many who populate the comments column of the Daily Express, a comic posing as a news provider, and other papers, along with Putin's Putanas.

Uncuddly Ken does not help by continualy referencing Hitler and the Agreement with a Zionist organisation to help get Jews out of Nazi Germany. In his latest I understand that he said the Jews involved need not be ashamed for doing such a deal, but then he was wrong in his claim Hitler was supporting Zionism. Getting people out of danger of the sort posed by the Nazis was never anything to be ashamed of.

The fact is that Hitler did no go mad after thst time, he was probably mad before. Anti Semitsim had been a part of German National Socialist (Nazi) policy since 1920. Hitler wrote of his loathing for the Jews in "Mein Kampf" in 1923. The Nazis came to power in early 1933 and virtualy immediately started imposing anti-Jewish laws. He Want the Jews out to ensure Aryan Purity, but leaving their wealth behind. In response to such moves Jews outside Germany began boycotting German suppliers. The agreement wad to allow Jews out on terms that wealth or property in Germany was exchanged for Exported German Goods.

To suggest Hitler was suporting Zionism is Historical revisionism. To suggest the Jews were supporting Hitler is an insult to them. Not quite anti semitic but seriously wrong.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Sun May 08, 2016 3:56 pm

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The target was not the London Mayor but JC. There have been numerous reports in the press that he allegedly associates with alleged extremist supporters of terrorism, which supposedly he does not condemn adequately. The religion of the London Mayoral candidate provided another opportunity, appealing to many who populate the comments column of the Daily Express, a comic posing as a news provider, and other papers, along with Putin's Putanas.

Uncuddly Ken does not help by continualy referencing Hitler and the Agreement with a Zionist organisation to help get Jews out of Nazi Germany. In his latest I understand that he said the Jews involved need not be ashamed for doing such a deal, but then he was wrong in his claim Hitler was supporting Zionism. Getting people out of danger of the sort posed by the Nazis was never anything to be ashamed of.


I started to reply to this but I am afraid any comment or observation that does not comply with the official Zionists explanation of events is automatically denounced as anti-Semitic! It is a routine that has gone on for about a hundred years at least. If you show any empathy for Palestinians or suggest that the Israeli actions against them are equally as bad as those of the Nazi’s against the Jews, you are anti-Semitic and a supporter of 'terrorism'; if you happen to be a Jew you are branded as a ‘self-hating-Jew’.

Paphitis has already adopted this routine when he made oblique comments on this thread about MY posting and comments related to Freedmans speech as being anti-Semitic. (Yes Paphitis.... I did notice but just couldn’t be assed to remark on such a pathetic comment .... neither did TD take your bait!)

I agree with you that it was more about bringing down JC and the Labour party in the elections, than the possible election of a Muslim as The Mayor of London. Shah supported the Palestinians which instantly made him a target as a ‘terrorist’ sympathiser and anti-Semitic, by the dumb and ill-informed. Whilst, knowing the inevitability that he would be accused of being a Nazi sympathiser, Livingston actually quoted historic fact but he must have been aware what that would lead to?

I am not going to post any links to justify saying that if you rely on just what you read, without trying to find out the details, then you will never find out anything like the truth. When another version of events, that includes relevant points taken out of the original that detracts from the Zionists version, is presented to support a contrary argument, then to regard anything that presents a different view, most often without even bothering to read the detail, as Nazi propaganda and anti-Semitism then you are living an illusion ....... you only have at best half the story.
The fact is that Hitler did no go mad after this time, he was probably mad before. Anti Semitsim had been a part of German National Socialist (Nazi) policy since 1920. Hitler wrote of his loathing for the Jews in "Mein Kampf" in 1923. The Nazis came to power in early 1933 and virtually immediately started imposing anti-Jewish laws. He Want the Jews out to ensure Aryan Purity, but leaving their wealth behind. In response to such moves Jews outside Germany began boycotting German suppliers. The agreement wad to allow Jews out on terms that wealth or property in Germany was exchanged for Exported German Goods.

Hitler was certainly not normal and was definitely anti-Semitic. But you are quoting things that applied at the point the Nazi’s turned on the Jews. May I suggest ‘propaganda’? If you take the trouble to check there is ample evidence that show the Jews DID declare an economic and financial war on Germany in 1933 and DID confirm their allegiance to the British in 1939 .... it is historical fact.
To suggest Hitler was supporting Zionism is Historical revisionism. To suggest the Jews were supporting Hitler is an insult to them. Not quite anti Semitic but seriously wrong.

It could of course also contain the truth of some aspects which are unpalatable to the Zionist explanation of events that lead up to the holocaust ........ and before Paphitis leaps in with more accusations ...... NOTHING absolutely NOTHING can justify what happened from the 1940’s onward. But some of the things that took place before that time do not show the Zionists in a very good light either and their cooperation with the Nazi’s is just one of them.

Just to enhance what I was saying ........
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon May 09, 2016 10:48 pm

I think you are falling in to the same error as uncuddly Ken, where it is not the bald facts that are indispute, namely that there was an agreement in 1933 between Hitler and one Zionist organisation to allow some jews out of Germany on terms that involved exchange of wealth and property for German Goods to be sold, which allowed out about 600000 jews and brought in to Germany millions of Marks' against the background that there was a Jewish boycott of Nazi Germany buisinesses.

You seem to suggest the Nazis only turned against the Jews in 1933, following the boycott, when you do not address the issue of why Jews were boycotting German business. Was it perhaps because of the known Anti semitism of the Nazi Party from 1920, some 13.years before the agreement, as exemplified by the party leader's writings in "Mein Kampf" , dating from 1923 ' ten years before the agreement, and where it was no doubt clear from January 1933, what was developing and likely to develop in Germany, as evidenced by the actuslity of events from 1933 onwards?

Neither were in the agrement to help the other: the Zionists wanted to help their people out. The Germans saw it as a way of solving their perceived Jewish problem and making money.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Tue May 10, 2016 5:18 pm

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You seem to suggest the Nazis only turned against the Jews in 1933, following the boycott, when you do not address the issue of why Jews were boycotting German business.

As far as historical reports suggest, the Jews did ‘offically’ turn against the Germans in 1933 and declared economic war because the Germans had previously boycotted their businesses and Jews were no longer ‘welcome’ in the civil service after the Versailles Treaty in 1917. This was more due to the reparations that Germany suffered as a consequence, which caused an economic collapse and the Germans blamed the Jews.

Then the Germans turned on the Jews economically, with obviously incidents of violence but this was not an orchestrated campaign of violence until later. (We see the same thing today with Islamaphobia.) I think there is good reason to believe that maybe they were a bit miffed?

The Germans had no concentration camps at that time but were no doubt economically retaliating against the Jews for their perceived treachery, when of course it was Zionists that were responsible rather than Jews. The same treaty led to the formation of the Nazi’s under Hitler in 1920.
Was it perhaps because of the known Anti Semitism of the Nazi Party from 1920, some 13. years before the agreement, as exemplified by the party leader's writings in "Mein Kampf" , dating from 1923 ' ten years before the agreement, and where it was no doubt clear from January 1933, what was developing and likely to develop in Germany, as evidenced by the actuality of events from 1933 onwards?

Nobody could have seen the Holocaust coming ........ that would be beyond any credible preconception! But the Nazi’s were not in power until 1933! Surely, up to that point, the ramblings of somebody who was inherently anti-Semitic would not have been of real significance until the Nazi’s came into power, any more than similar anti-Semitic rants from extreme Nationalist organisations in the UK at the time,(Mosely?) or indeed people like Marin Le Pen today? Even in 1933 I don’t think there was an indication that the Nazi’s wanted to exterminate the Jews, maybe they wanted to get rid of them out of Germany, that cannot be denied but mass murder was not the order of the day.
Neither were in the agreement to help the other: the Zionists wanted to help their people out.

IMO: Not really true as the Zionists intent in this jointly beneficial arrangement was to ensure the Jews moved to Palestine and very few of them were interested. Most would rather have gone to the US or UK but that was blocked and not by the Germans! By seeming to be complicit in some way with the Nazi’s by tolerating Jewish persecution, the Zionists were ensuring that those subjected to this anti-Semitism would be more likely to move to the ME rather than remain in Germany. The extermination camps came into being in the 1940’s and there is no excuse for what the Nazi’s did after that time.

The Germans regarded the Jews as a threat to their national security as the Jews (or rather Zionists?) had declared war on Germany when they announced solidarity with Germany’s enemy ..... the UK, in 1939. The original concept was internment rather than extermination ..... that idea was dreamed up later by the Nazi’s led by Himmler and his followers ......... as their ‘Final Solution’. Initially the intent was little different than the way the US saw the same threat when war was declared against Japan, they interned ALL those with Japanese ancestry as a similar threat. There the similarity ends.

The Germans saw it as a way of solving their perceived Jewish problem and making money.

I think more a case of solving their problem than financial return? The Zionists and the Nazi’s both wanted the same thing but for different reasons. A feeling of anti-Semitism was beneficial for both of them.

In my view we have to look at history to determine why the Holocaust took place. You can see today, that any criticism of Israel’s actions are immediately jumped on as being ant-Semitic and yet it is common knowledge, even within Israel, that the Zionist led Government under Netanyahu is heading in the same direction as the Nazi’s. Gaza is a much bigger concentration camp than ANY of the Nazi ones ......... the only thing absent is the gas chambers and the ovens!

But we are not allowed to say so and not allowed by law to boycott Israeli goods from the occupied lands. The press, which is to a great extent controlled by Zionists, rarely tells a story that is antithetical to Israel’s interests, when such events are released in the independent press it is inevitably condemned as propaganda. In addition, the Israeli’s have a string of UN resolutions condemning what they are doing but this never converts to action. Maybe in 5-10 years time we will see the Israeli Leadership and their Zionist supporters in the US/UK in a modern version of the Nurnberg Tribunals ..... although I somehow doubt it! :cry:
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