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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 06, 2016 5:46 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:I am afraid you can't just take the word of one rabid, right-wing nutcase as the gospel truth.


You are doing what you accuse others of doing! Where is your evidence that says Freedman was a ' .....rabid, right-wing nutcase'?' He was well informed, had access to the right people and the right documents and was directly involved. I it is all verifiable and documented, it is all historical fact ..... read the speech ..... and don't tell me you have! It is a 1hr 47 minute speech ...... without taking the trouble to check the linked sources or the Q^A's.

How can it be 'Nazi propaganda' if it was before Nazism reared its head. :roll:


I don't have a lot of time to go through the whole speech and deconstruct it for you, but here is one gem:

"And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration."

The Germans - and I take it he means the elite of the German civil service and the diplomatic corps - had supposedly never heard of the Balfour Declaration in 1918, even though it had received wide coverage in the press in 1917.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 06, 2016 6:02 am

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Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I am afraid you can't just take the word of one rabid, right-wing nutcase as the gospel truth.


You are doing what you accuse others of doing! Where is your evidence that says Freedman was a ' .....rabid, right-wing nutcase'?' He was well informed, had access to the right people and the right documents and was directly involved. I it is all verifiable and documented, it is all historical fact ..... read the speech ..... and don't tell me you have! It is a 1hr 47 minute speech ...... without taking the trouble to check the linked sources or the Q^A's.

How can it be 'Nazi propaganda' if it was before Nazism reared its head. :roll:


I don't have a lot of time to go through the whole speech and deconstruct it for you, but here is one gem:

"And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration."

The Germans - and I take it he means the elite of the German civil service and the diplomatic corps - had supposedly never heard of the Balfour Declaration in 1918, even though it had received wide coverage in the press in 1917.


I believe the people who were at the Versailles Treaty discussions were senior politicians, diplomats and military ...... not civil servants. Evidence ..... that it was published in 1917? It was a document addressed to Rothschild by a British minister, I doubt your statement it was public knowledge ..... prove me wrong?
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 06, 2016 6:04 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:"Up to this point Jews virtually ran Germany and held many government and civil service appointments."

What? Give me a break! This was the anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda line.


What else is new Tim?

He supports the NAZI propaganda line to justify the extermination of 6 million Jews.

I don't take him seriously anymore, including his views on Putin, Assad, and Syria.


You ignorant fool! Freedman was a Jew, he was there at the time it all happened before WWI through to the end of WWII, he was in at the meetings, he was on first name terms with US Pres. Wilson, the Kennedy's et al...... all the people involved in The Balfour Declaration debacle, he was at the treaty of Versailles Armistice talks in 1919. He saw what went on after that and decided he did not like what he saw, rejected Zionism in 1945 and spent the rest of his life, and his not inconsiderable fortune, informing others. What better person to tell the story as it was? ......... And it is ALL backed by other transcripts and official documents.

You certainly never read the Freedman transcript nor the ‘IfAmericansKnew' history, both far too long and involved for your small brain, otherwise you would realise what a dork you are! You are incredibly ill-read and ill-informed, know virtually nothing about almost everything, except the headline propaganda you are fed by the MSM and then, only if is short, simple and fits with your opinion.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 06, 2016 6:46 am

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:.... As much as I believe the Israelis have every right to be where they are, if they had been given that bigger region a little further north - Anatolia - that would make me even happier.


:) Seems the Jews/Israelis do have a historical region in Anatolia they could consider taking over:

Cappadocia [ - Anatolia - ] appears in the biblical account given in the book of Acts 2:9. The Cappadocians were named as one group hearing the Gospel account from Galileans in their own language on the day of Pentecost shortly after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:5 seems to suggest that the Cappadocians in this account were "God-fearing Jews". See Acts of the Apostles.
The region is also mentioned in the Jewish Mishnah, in Ketubot 13:11.
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The English do not understand the attachment Ancient Civilisations have to their ancestral lands.

The Jews always had a goal to return back to the Holy Land. It is their homeland. The Zionist Movement was very clever in getting their people to buy all the land in the areas they wanted to take over, and that is what they started to do from the late 1800s.

Then they started to lobby the British which controlled Palestine at the time. The Balfour Declaration in 1917 is evidence of how effective they were:

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.


And an interesting exchange between Weizmann and Balfour in 1906 to reinforce this attachment to Jerusalem:

"Mr. Balfour, supposing I was to offer you Paris instead of London, would you take it?" He sat up, looked at me, and answered: "But Dr. Weizmann, we have London." "That is true," I said, "but we had Jerusalem when London was a marsh." He ... said two things which I remember vividly. The first was: "Are there many Jews who think like you?" I answered: "I believe I speak the mind of millions of Jews whom you will never see and who cannot speak for themselves." ... To this he said: "If that is so you will one day be a force."


The Jews are obviously connected to the area. It is a biblical history that they have.

It's the same with other Ancient Civilisations like Cypriots. We might be ethnically cleansed from a part of Cyprus but we will never forget and will always return.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 06, 2016 6:56 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I am afraid you can't just take the word of one rabid, right-wing nutcase as the gospel truth.


You are doing what you accuse others of doing! Where is your evidence that says Freedman was a ' .....rabid, right-wing nutcase'?' He was well informed, had access to the right people and the right documents and was directly involved. I it is all verifiable and documented, it is all historical fact ..... read the speech ..... and don't tell me you have! It is a 1hr 47 minute speech ...... without taking the trouble to check the linked sources or the Q^A's.

How can it be 'Nazi propaganda' if it was before Nazism reared its head. :roll:


I don't have a lot of time to go through the whole speech and deconstruct it for you, but here is one gem:

"And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration."

The Germans - and I take it he means the elite of the German civil service and the diplomatic corps - had supposedly never heard of the Balfour Declaration in 1918, even though it had received wide coverage in the press in 1917.


I believe the people who were at the Versailles Treaty discussions were senior politicians, diplomats and military ...... not civil servants. Evidence ..... that it was published in 1917? It was a document addressed to Rothschild by a British minister, I doubt your statement it was public knowledge ..... prove me wrong?


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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 06, 2016 7:02 am

Robin Hood wrote:Freedman was a Jew.


He converted to Roman Catholicism, and in my experience, people who 'convert' from one brand of the God delusion to another are always wacko. He was also highly involved in the McCarthy witch hunt of the 1950's which was based on a whole tissue of lies and fabrication, and this is enough to discredit anything he says in my eyes.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 06, 2016 7:03 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I am afraid you can't just take the word of one rabid, right-wing nutcase as the gospel truth.


You are doing what you accuse others of doing! Where is your evidence that says Freedman was a ' .....rabid, right-wing nutcase'?' He was well informed, had access to the right people and the right documents and was directly involved. I it is all verifiable and documented, it is all historical fact ..... read the speech ..... and don't tell me you have! It is a 1hr 47 minute speech ...... without taking the trouble to check the linked sources or the Q^A's.

How can it be 'Nazi propaganda' if it was before Nazism reared its head. :roll:


I don't have a lot of time to go through the whole speech and deconstruct it for you, but here is one gem:

"And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration."

The Germans - and I take it he means the elite of the German civil service and the diplomatic corps - had supposedly never heard of the Balfour Declaration in 1918, even though it had received wide coverage in the press in 1917.


I believe the people who were at the Versailles Treaty discussions were senior politicians, diplomats and military ...... not civil servants. Evidence ..... that it was published in 1917? It was a document addressed to Rothschild by a British minister, I doubt your statement it was public knowledge ..... prove me wrong?


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It seems antisemiticism is alive and well in this very thread Tim. It just proved beyond doubt how common it actually is.

Have you spotted it?

This in itself, justifies the establishment of a Jewish State.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 06, 2016 7:09 am

Sorry, the newspaper article above was wrong, that predated the Balfour Declaration. However, here is the Balfour Declaration as published in The Times, 9 November 1917:

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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 06, 2016 7:11 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Freedman was a Jew.


He converted to Roman Catholicism, and in my experience, people who 'convert' from one brand of the God delusion to another are always wacko. He was also highly involved in the McCarthy witch hunt of the 1950's which was based on a whole tissue of lies and fabrication, and this is enough to discredit anything he says in my eyes.


Careful Tim. He might do a Sputnik Search. The gentleman is a troll.

I have no idea why you would take him seriously.
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Re: Anti-Semitic comments by leading Labour party members

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 06, 2016 7:17 am

Paphitis wrote:
It seems antisemiticism is alive and well in this very thread Tim. It just proved beyond doubt how common it actually is.

Have you spotted it?

This in itself, justifies the establishment of a Jewish State.


I do not for a minute deny that Jewish people have suffered great discrimination and oppression in the past, and I find everything the German Third Reich did to be abhorrent -as opposed to the running dog of Zionism who has polluted this thread with Nazi propaganda and thus left people like myself who genuinely oppose all forms of racism, including anti-Semitism, and also oppose Zionism because, for one thing, it is also fundamentally racist, open to the charge of anti-Semitism.

Even so, please explain why, given that atheism is a capital offence in thirteen countries in the world, atheists do not also deserve a safe haven, or indeed all groups that face systematic oppression.
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