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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon May 02, 2016 5:48 pm

The following is an article on delusions as defined in Both DSM IV and DSM V,,(The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition ) which is the American Bible on various mental health related conditions.

In the DSM-IV (Glossary) delusions were defined as follows:

Delusion. A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g., it is not an article of religious faith). When a false belief involves a value judgment, it is regarded as a delusion only when the judgment is so extreme as to defy credibility.

This is how delusions are described in the DSM-5 (Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders):

Delusions are fixed beliefs that are not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence. Their content may include a variety of themes (e.g. persecutory, referential, somatic, religious, grandiose).[…] Delusions are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible and not understandable to same-culture peers and do not derive from ordinary life experiences. […] The distinction between a delusion and a strongly held idea is sometimes difficult to make and depends in part on the degree of conviction with which the belief is held despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity.

Although differences are not very significant, I do welcome some of the noticeable shifts.

First, as many philosophers and psychologists have noticed when commenting on the DSM-IV definition (e.g., Davies et al. 2001, pp. 133-134; Coltheart 2007, p. 1043), delusions need not be false, and being false is no longer a necessary condition for a belief to be delusional in the DSM-5 description.

Second, delusions do not need to be about external reality or to be based on incorrect inference. They could be about oneself and one’s own experiences, requiring little or no inference.

Third, we may have no proof against the truth of a belief, even when the belief is wildly implausible, and this is reflected in the move from the phrase “despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary” to the phrase “despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity”.

More important, in my eyes the new account narrows the gap between delusions and other irrational beliefs, suggesting that the epistemic features of delusions are not unique to pathologies of the mind, but characterise many of our everyday beliefs.

One change I would have welcomed is the recognition that, although delusions are very resistant to counter-evidence and counter-argument, they are not totally impervious to cognitive probing. There are some interesting case studies suggesting that people can give up their delusion after being invited to reason about the inconsistencies that the delusion is introducing in their belief systems (e.g., McKay & Cipolotti 2007).


Now the EU has in a number of official documents and press releases in the period 27th Jan to 13th April that there were serious deficiencies found on the part of GREECE in how GREECE was discharging its obligtions in regard to the management of its external EU border. I can if needed provide links to this, but I think these reports contain clear or reasonable evidence regarding veracity of the proposition that Greece was described in the EU documents as seriously deficient in the manner described.

Despite this, we have one forumer here who has consitetently sought to deny that, maintaing Greece was not "seriously deficient" despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity, ie the relevent EU documents.

It therefore appears to, and I suggest the forumer gets this checked by a proffesional, that that forumer might be suffering from something on Schizophrenia Spectrum or Other Psychotic Disorders.

We can add to that theory of mind problems, where this person clearly considers that only her ideas are correct and we should follow them, then we have projection, where she is exporting her own possible diagnosis, ie others who do not accept her beliefs are Schizophrenic, despite the fact her own beliefs seem to fit into the realm of Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders, where she holds that Greece was not seriously deficient and could not be seriously deficient, despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity, ie the relevent EU documents, which clearly use the words serious deficiencies and only in relation to Greece.

In consequence, gIG probably needs proffessional help from a good mental Health professional, as there is probably some very deep Psychosis that makes here feel the need to adopt an position which does not brook any criticism of Greece, and will not even accept Greece has been criticised by the EU, when plainly it had.
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Re: DSM V

Postby Robin Hood » Mon May 02, 2016 7:37 pm

The forum member you reference is not alone in her reluctance to accept ‘ ..... clear or reasonable contradictory evidence that does not fit with her believes’ ....... But you don’t have to be mental case to suffer from this malady! Brain washing can have the same outcome. :roll:
We can add to that theory of mind problems, where this person clearly considers that only her ideas are correct and we should follow them, then we have projection, where she is exporting her own possible diagnosis, ie others who do not accept her beliefs are Schizophrenic, despite the fact her own beliefs seem to fit into the realm of Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders .......

She appears to be like this in thinking because she refutes the evidence provided by others, questions the sources, the authors and even insults others integrity but cannot provide evidence to support her version of events.

Now, where have I come across that response before? :roll: :wink: :D :D
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Re: DSM V

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 03, 2016 5:39 am

Robin Hood wrote:The forum member you reference is not alone in her reluctance to accept ‘ ..... clear or reasonable contradictory evidence that does not fit with her believes’ ....... But you don’t have to be mental case to suffer from this malady! Brain washing can have the same outcome. :roll:
We can add to that theory of mind problems, where this person clearly considers that only her ideas are correct and we should follow them, then we have projection, where she is exporting her own possible diagnosis, ie others who do not accept her beliefs are Schizophrenic, despite the fact her own beliefs seem to fit into the realm of Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders .......

She appears to be like this in thinking because she refutes the evidence provided by others, questions the sources, the authors and even insults others integrity but cannot provide evidence to support her version of events.

Now, where have I come across that response before? :roll: :wink: :D :D


Now where or rather by whom? ,..It is not the refutation of evvidence, questioning of sources, authors, or the insults, without evidence, but that in this case where she is seeking to maintain a belief about words said, or not said, when the evidence is entirely contrary to her stated position that the words were not said, when they were, and nothing she had posted can contradict the fact they were said.
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