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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Erwinski » Fri May 06, 2016 12:57 pm

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Mine was a minor assumption - yours, in offering what you consider a solution for *both communities* to have *their regions* is an insensitive inference. Built on divide and rule. Your justification that this is a plan *on the table* is absurd. I would wipe that table clean if I were you and find some healthier ingredients with which to make a meal.


It's not a solution that I consider, it's a solution that is being considered by the negotiating parties (hence; on the table, but not on mine as I'm not negotiating anything nor do I have any personal importances in the results).

I'm just asking someone about his views on that, but somehow you now see me as one who has a personal preference for this possible solution. Strange, if you ask me...
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby kurupetos » Fri May 06, 2016 3:15 pm

Erwinski wrote:Hi all

I'm Erwin, a student of journalism from the Netherslands, based in Ghent, Belgium. I'm now on Cyprus to write my thesis on the Cyprus Problem and the ongoing unification talks. I've been reading some topics here and I see there's a lot of different viewponts, opinions and perspectives around on this forum, which makes it a very interesting pool of people to me.

Therefore I'm interested in people from both sides that have (or know someone who has) any (personal) stories on this matter. Either by being or having been in the army (I would be very interested in personal stories from '74 too), by being into an intercultural relationship or marriage between a Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot, by being part of on (un)official organisation that is somehow involved with this issue, by being affected by the property issie, by having a strong and clear opinion on the matter (nationalistic views from both sides are very welcome too, for example) of by being in any other way involved.

I'm very interested in speaking with you, preferrably in person. Any reaction or tip is welcome tho, either in this topic, by PM, by e-mail ( erwiveen@student.arteveldehs.be ) or by phone: +357-99-027236

Thanks in advance :)

Erwin

I'm Greek Cypriot and I have a TC cousin. Is this of interest to you? :mrgreen:
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Erwinski » Fri May 06, 2016 3:26 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Erwinski wrote:Hi all

I'm Erwin, a student of journalism from the Netherslands, based in Ghent, Belgium. I'm now on Cyprus to write my thesis on the Cyprus Problem and the ongoing unification talks. I've been reading some topics here and I see there's a lot of different viewponts, opinions and perspectives around on this forum, which makes it a very interesting pool of people to me.

Therefore I'm interested in people from both sides that have (or know someone who has) any (personal) stories on this matter. Either by being or having been in the army (I would be very interested in personal stories from '74 too), by being into an intercultural relationship or marriage between a Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot, by being part of on (un)official organisation that is somehow involved with this issue, by being affected by the property issie, by having a strong and clear opinion on the matter (nationalistic views from both sides are very welcome too, for example) of by being in any other way involved.

I'm very interested in speaking with you, preferrably in person. Any reaction or tip is welcome tho, either in this topic, by PM, by e-mail ( erwiveen@student.arteveldehs.be ) or by phone: +357-99-027236

Thanks in advance :)

Erwin

I'm Greek Cypriot and I have a TC cousin. Is this of interest to you? :mrgreen:


kurupetos wrote:
Erwinski wrote:Hi all

I'm Erwin, a student of journalism from the Netherslands, based in Ghent, Belgium. I'm now on Cyprus to write my thesis on the Cyprus Problem and the ongoing unification talks. I've been reading some topics here and I see there's a lot of different viewponts, opinions and perspectives around on this forum, which makes it a very interesting pool of people to me.

Therefore I'm interested in people from both sides that have (or know someone who has) any (personal) stories on this matter. Either by being or having been in the army (I would be very interested in personal stories from '74 too), by being into an intercultural relationship or marriage between a Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot, by being part of on (un)official organisation that is somehow involved with this issue, by being affected by the property issie, by having a strong and clear opinion on the matter (nationalistic views from both sides are very welcome too, for example) of by being in any other way involved.

I'm very interested in speaking with you, preferrably in person. Any reaction or tip is welcome tho, either in this topic, by PM, by e-mail ( erwiveen@student.arteveldehs.be ) or by phone: +357-99-027236

Thanks in advance :)

Erwin

I'm Greek Cypriot and I have a TC cousin. Is this of interest to you? :mrgreen:


Very much! If you want/can I'd be very happy to meet up and talk about that.
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby kurupetos » Fri May 06, 2016 3:44 pm

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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Erwinski » Fri May 06, 2016 3:55 pm

I'm basically just interested in the story itself, I'm not looking for something positive or negative, just for realities.
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Lordo » Fri May 06, 2016 4:05 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Erwinski wrote:Hi all

I'm Erwin, a student of journalism from the Netherslands, based in Ghent, Belgium. I'm now on Cyprus to write my thesis on the Cyprus Problem and the ongoing unification talks. I've been reading some topics here and I see there's a lot of different viewponts, opinions and perspectives around on this forum, which makes it a very interesting pool of people to me.

Therefore I'm interested in people from both sides that have (or know someone who has) any (personal) stories on this matter. Either by being or having been in the army (I would be very interested in personal stories from '74 too), by being into an intercultural relationship or marriage between a Greek- and Turkish-Cypriot, by being part of on (un)official organisation that is somehow involved with this issue, by being affected by the property issie, by having a strong and clear opinion on the matter (nationalistic views from both sides are very welcome too, for example) of by being in any other way involved.

I'm very interested in speaking with you, preferrably in person. Any reaction or tip is welcome tho, either in this topic, by PM, by e-mail ( erwiveen@student.arteveldehs.be ) or by phone: +357-99-027236

Thanks in advance :)

Erwin

I'm Greek Cypriot and I have a TC cousin. Is this of interest to you? :mrgreen:

you little liar yiur bums on fiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrre re gounomavroguvello

dont you believe him young man. he is no gc, he is furquine greak stray bitch and she has no tc cousin either. the only cousin she has is a stray mongrel lesbian bitch of which she follows around bus she aint interested. both bitch is after a real dog not a pretend swine, like kurubetrashillagoullagimu
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Sotos » Fri May 06, 2016 4:14 pm

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I see. As far as I know the presence of the Turkish army (and therewith Turkey being a guarantor) is one of the (to me logical) breaking points in the ongoing unification talks anyway (together with the property issue). I'm not an expert (yet, hehe...) but to me it seems that unification will never happen when the Turkish army doesn't leave the island.


You are far from expert ;) For one thing all you know are the public statements which do not reflect the reality. First of all this "unification" name is intentionally misleading. It was created to mislead the Greek Cypriots, because most of them think of the word "unification" as meaning "liberation". But this so called "unification" that is negotiated now has nothing with the liberation of our lands from Turkish occupation. On the contrary, such agreement would be an agreement for partition which would make the north part of Cyprus officially Turkish with our signature and take away from us our rights to our lands.

I know. ;)

Although I know more than public statements. Unification and liberation are two very different words with very different meanings. It seems to me that this misinterpretation is then only misleading because of, well, misinterpretation?

The last thing you say is something I can well understand that there's difficulties you'd have with that.


The unification of Germany was pretty much synonymous with the liberation of the Eastern part from Soviet control. But there is a lot of misinformation also. Some of our leaders are being blackmailed by Turkey and its allies to accept what is essentially partition but they can't sell it to the Cypriot people as such. It is much easier to blackmail the leadership than blackmail the people... the Americans tried to blackmail the Cypriot people in 2004 but it didn't work. So what some try is to sell partition to us with smart marketing.. they package it in a box labeled "unification", they try to present it us the liberation of Cyprus from Turkey, that it will be great for the economy etc. Some people fall for it, most don't.
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Sotos » Fri May 06, 2016 4:28 pm

I wonder, in what way would you like to have 'unification', if you want that at all?


Freedom of the north part of our island from the Turkish occupation. Why would any Cypriot not want it? Do you know anybody that doesn't want back what was stolen from him?
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Erwinski » Fri May 06, 2016 4:47 pm

Sotos wrote:
I wonder, in what way would you like to have 'unification', if you want that at all?


Freedom of the north part of our island from the Turkish occupation. Why would any Cypriot not want it? Do you know anybody that doesn't want back what was stolen from him?

But when the border would be removed and equal rights are settled, when business is open for anyone in the north, when the Turkish army is gone and when the property issue is somehow solved, would that be what you consider freedom of the north part from Turkish occupation?
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Re: Writing my thesis on the Cyprus Problem

Postby Sotos » Fri May 06, 2016 7:09 pm

Erwinski wrote:
Sotos wrote:
I wonder, in what way would you like to have 'unification', if you want that at all?


Freedom of the north part of our island from the Turkish occupation. Why would any Cypriot not want it? Do you know anybody that doesn't want back what was stolen from him?

But when the border would be removed and equal rights are settled, when business is open for anyone in the north, when the Turkish army is gone and when the property issue is somehow solved, would that be what you consider freedom of the north part from Turkish occupation?


Freedom of the north part means for the north to be the same as the south is today. For the Turkish rule over this part of our island to end and to be returned to its native people. The equal rights should be among the citizens... not among groups of citizens of vastly different sizes. Turkish army to leave from Cyprus WITHOUT accomplishing its mission of making the north Turkish. And the property issue should be solved by giving back the properties to the legal owners in the vast majority of cases... and in the few cases that this is not possible then a fair compensation to be paid by those who keep the property, not the taxpayer. Let me ask you a question since you are Dutch... does Germany belong to you? You don't see any border when crossing to Germany, you are free to move and do business there etc... but does Germany BELONG to you? North Cyprus belongs to us in exactly the same way as the south does. The Cyprus Problem is that the Turks are occupying our lands and the solution is the liberation of those lands from the Turks... not merely going there as tourists and to do business like you can do in Germany.
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