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[Robin Hood]

The 'EU' are now looking into charging the British a fee to avoid having to apply for a visa. They are copying the US line as it will limit a stay in the EU to just 90 days. Once again, I think that is not very smart thinking! What effect will this have on tourism, which is mainly to the poorer states of the EU like Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Italy etc.?

blimy you posted something worth reading, ...

Yet this comes from the same man who in this very thread (page 115) said a few days ago, berating contributors to a call-in programme for their so-called ignorance over the issues surrounding the UK's exit from the EU: "Some of the responses in the interviews, which have been on all day so far, were incredibly ignorant of facts! Such as UK citizens would no longer be able to go for holidays in EU countries or enter the EU without a Visa; they would no longer be able to go to European countries to study!"

Once again you demonstrate your lack of ability to understand what you read. A system, under which I worked for some thirty years of working abroad, would introduce visas for specific purposes (Work/Residence/education/retirement). I stated that as a possibility previously ... yes?

The proposal being considered is for a 'Visa 'Waiver', as they have in the US. I said way back that you may need a work visa to continue your operation as self employed ..... that would seem fairly obvious, but a 90 day Visa Waiver, at cost, is a new one on me! It would attract a reciprocal arrangement for people from the EU coming to the UK and all those 'City' types, people seem to believe are packing their bags to move to Germany, will have to apply for work permit visas. Just how easy will that be under EU rules? Such a limitation is of no real benefit to anyone, maybe they should consider applying this to all the refugees and asylum seekers instead of what is still, a European State?

[Paphitis]

Federation does work. It works well in the US and other places. In fact it is a very efficient system.

Problem with the EU is that they are trying to be a Federation but will never make it.

If they did, and everyone drops their sovereignty, even only have 1 or 2 official languages (FRENCH, and ENGLISH) and abolish all other unnecessary Governments and make the EU responsible for collecting all tax, then they have a shot at making it work. But no one will ever agree to this.

Also hard to implement on such a culturally diverse continent. Can you imagine having German Federal Police investigating a crime in Athens? No I don't think so.

[Robin Hood]

I just noticed this from above:

"which is mainly to the poorer states of the EU like Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Italy etc.?"

Things may be pretty dire up in Vouni for all I know, but Cyprus isn't poor.



And that is even with a near total collapse of the banking system!

I don't live in Vouni! Where I live most residents income is considerably more than the average! We still have many houses here valued in the millions by the LR.

The sort of 'normal' working wage in Cyprus, and many earn much less, is around €1000 to €1500pcm, a bit more if you work for the government or yourself .... if you are lucky. Some of course make €10,000 or even more. Relate that to the above.

What is a German/French/Dutch/UK working wage .... a lot more than a Cypriot gets! Cyprus/Cypriots are poor compared with the Northern European States.

[Robin Hood]

TD:

So let's get this straight. I am a smoker and I join a club that has no smoking ban in the club room. At the club's general meeting there is a motion proposing a smoking ban in the club room. The motion is passed by majority vote, although I was one of those who voted against. Does this mean I am entitled to flout the smoking ban and continue to smoke in the club room?

That is not the scenario ........ is it?

The decision is made by a self appointed committee, behind closed doors. There is no general meeting! The Members have no input into the drawing up of the rules and are told to endorse the Committees decision ‘YES’ or ‘NO’. They are told in no uncertain terms what will happen to them if they vote the ‘wrong’ way. The members endorse the committees decision and smoking is no longer allowed in the Club House but that does not mean you have to leave the club ........ you just don’t smoke in the Club House.

That is what the UK and other EU states have done up until now. But the committee has now got too big for its boots and has decided that members have to wear ties and jackets, the smoking ban is extended to all parts of the club, female members have their access restricted and a new dress code applied, they also decide to ban alcohol and will no longer allow non-halal food to be available in the restaurant.

Then is the time to take stock ..... and leave! The UK will not be the last to leave this Club, others will leave when they see that the very experienced UK establishment start getting most of what they want and a mutually beneficial trade agreement will be reached. To do otherwise will destroy the EU in its current form completely and Junker and his associates are well aware of this ..... but they will have to save face ..... and the UK is very good at 'arranging' face savings for those that would otherwise look rather stupid.

[Paul ZKTV]

visas

do you think that by typing more words then anyone else ,without any facts means it its better then those that are brief but add FACTS
THE EEA HAS ITS VISA SYSTEM FOR NON-MEMBERS ...THEY AINT GOING TO CHANGE IT IF UK LEAVES
i just have no idea what you are going on about again .once A50 is in then all the banks ad its staff leave for EUROPA
YOU AINT GETTING FREE TRADE - YOU AINT KEEPING YOUR CITY PASSPORT - YOUR LEAVING - ITS NOT THE EEAs JOB
TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE OUTSIDE -
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT ...
im hoping like the USSR breaking up cos f their coup ,it will lead to a ENGLISH REPUBLIC ...

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What is a German/French/Dutch/UK working wage .... a lot more than a Cypriot gets! Cyprus/Cypriots are poor compared with the Northern European States.

again i miss the point here - i move around the world and calling people in northern europe richer with bad air ,bad crime and shorter life is daft .
if you mean MONEY as it seems to be your god ,then you should have learnt long ago it HOW MUCH YOU PAY OUT . NOT HOW MUCH YOU EARN ...to watch football on SKY in UK is about €70 a month ,to watch same match in somalia is €1 a month ...and while your on about HOUSE PRICES ... i never pay ´´tourist´ rates or but in ´tourist areas ,we always buy in local areas and rent to locals ..once BREXIT happens i know lots of US carpetbaggers who will be buying beachfront condos at 20c on the dollar ...

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Free Trad will still be in place in all likelihood. Free movement is also likely to still remain. I would be amazed if it is not.

BREXIT means BREXIT - no free trade ,no free movement inc OAPs sitting on cyprus beachs unless they meet the current
Cyprus residence visa
Category F:
Persons who possess and have fully and freely at their disposal a secured annual income, high enough to give them a decent living in Cyprus, without having to engage in any business, trade or profession. The annual income required should be at least €10,000 for a single applicant and moreover at least €4500 for every dependent person, but the Immigration Control Board may demand additional amounts as necessary. Most applicants come under this Category, the majority of them being pensioners or retired persons.

For the granting of an immigration permit application is submitted on form M.67 to the Civil Registry and Migration Department directly or through the District Aliens and Immigration Branches of the Police. The application should be accompanied by the appropriate documents, depending on the Category for which it is submitted.
http://www.cyprusvisa.eu/assets/MLT1.pdf

TD:
Then is the time to take stock ..... and leave! The UK will not be the last to leave this Club, others will leave when they see that the very experienced UK establishment start getting most of what they want and a mutually beneficial trade agreement will be reached. To do otherwise will destroy the EU in its current form completely and Junker and his associates are well aware of this ..... but they will have to save face ..... and the UK is very good at 'arranging' face savings for those that would otherwise look rather stupid.

you really dont know GERMANIA do you ...
DE tried to grab the EURO CLEARING market last year and we told by the ECJ they could not have it - DC got a VERY BIG concession of the pound as a EQUAL currency in the EU ... all that has gone - BERLIN cannot thank the gods that it will end up with the only bit of the UK worth having ..the CITY ...what is left is a shell of a victorian empire ...

Can you imagine having German Federal Police investigating a crime in Athens? No I don't think so.

yes they have been doing it FOR 23 YEARS !!! EUROPOL STAFF AND LIAISON OFFICERS (ELOS)
Europol headquarters in The Hague, the Netherlands
working closely with law enforcement agencies in the 28 EU Member States and in other non-EU partner states and organisations
The agency uses its unique information capabilities and the expertise of its staff to identify and track the most dangerous criminal and terrorist networks in Europe. Law enforcement authorities in the EU rely on this intelligence work and the services of Europol’s operational coordination centre and secure information network, to carry out over 18 000 cross–border investigations each year. These have led to the disruption of many criminal and terrorist networks, to the arrest of thousands of dangerous criminals, to the recovery of millions of euro in criminal proceeds, and to the recovery from harm of hundreds of victims, including children trafficked for sexual exploitation. Europol also acts as a major centre of expertise in key fields of law enforcement activity and as a European centre for strategic intelligence on organised crime.Europol personnel come from different kinds of law enforcement agencies, including regular police, border police, customs and security services.
The European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is an arrest warrant valid throughout all member states of the European Union (EU). Once issued, it requires another member state to arrest and transfer a criminal suspect or sentenced person to the issuing state so that the person can be put on trial or complete a detention period.
BUT IN THE FUTURE if the murder is past dover thats it - BREXIT mean BREXIT ...

[Paphitis]

Sorry ZKTV. But BREXIT does not mean no Free Trade.

Britain will have free trade alright right from the start, and is likely to even have some elevated status like thesmart Swiss!

They will also have free trade with USA and Australia.

[Tim Drayton]

Sorry ZKTV. But BREXIT does not mean no Free Trade.

Britain will have free trade alright right from the start, and is likely to even have some elevated status like thesmart Swiss!

They will also have free trade with USA and Australia.

Yes, but ...

From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerla ... _relations

In other words, they are subject to most EU law and inward free movement. In other words they might just as well be members.

The EU is making it clear that it will give the UK full access to the EU market in return for free movement.

[Paphitis]

Sorry ZKTV. But BREXIT does not mean no Free Trade.

Britain will have free trade alright right from the start, and is likely to even have some elevated status like thesmart Swiss!

They will also have free trade with USA and Australia.

Yes, but ...

From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerla ... _relations

In other words, they are subject to most EU law and inward free movement. In other words they might just as well be members.

The EU is making it clear that it will give the UK full access to the EU market in return for free movement.

Maybe.

Not all EU laws are actually bad. When you're out, then maybe they can pick and choose the EU laws they want to ratify.

[Londonrake]

Sorry ZKTV. But BREXIT does not mean no Free Trade.

Britain will have free trade alright right from the start, and is likely to even have some elevated status like thesmart Swiss!

They will also have free trade with USA and Australia.

Yes, but ...

From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerla ... _relations

In other words, they are subject to most EU law and inward free movement. In other words they might just as well be members.

The EU is making it clear that it will give the UK full access to the EU market in return for free movement.

Paphitis: agreed. It is suggested that the EU is a paragon when it comes to international trade negotiations. However, the opposite is the case. Their record's dire. Witness the most recent "success", TTIP. How long have they been around the table with the Australians?

Even at this stage absolutely nothing would surprise me. Nevertheless it's difficult to envisage the UK accepting
free movement. That would politically be a very neat trick.

I was surprised to read your earlier reference to the Australian/French submarine deal. I worked with the RAAF back in the early to mid 90's. We had the same acoustic processing systems on our maritime patrol aircraft. I got to see some of their development for the Collins class, including elements of the first fitting out in Adelaide. At the time Australia was very keen on building their own subs. I wonder what changed their minds?

[Paul ZKTV]

Sorry ZKTV. But BREXIT does not mean no Free Trade.

Britain will have free trade alright right from the start, and is likely to even have some elevated status like thesmart Swiss! .

as a SWISS bizness taxpayer and a swiss bizness voter ,you again dont understand the world as it is ...

CH pays A LOT to the EU to trade with it ,it obeys 90% of EU laws ,and has freedom of movement and still has NO FREE TRADE IN BANKING

From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a DE FACTO member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.[/quote]
By 2015, Switzerland had amassed around 230 trade treaties with the EU starting in 1972

Swiss Contribution to EU
Since 2008, Switzerland has contributed 1.4 billion EUROS towards various projects designed to reduce the economic and social disparities in an enlarged EU One example of how this money is used is Legionowo railway station, Poland, which is being built with 10 million from the Swiss budget.

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They will also have free trade with USA and Australia.

The day the UK leaves the EU it wont have FREE TRADE it will HAVE NO TRADE except WTO DEFAULT RULES
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/ta ... data_e.htm


. Once we
are free to do so at the end of the article 50 talks, the UK may attempt to expedite the
WTO process by simply replicating the existing EU schedule of commitments, rather than
starting with a blank sheet of paper.
However, this is unlikely to be plain sailing. The UK’s schedule of commitments has to be
adopted by consensus among the [b]164 members of the WTO.[/b] Some WTO members may
try to secure better access to the UK market than they were able to secure when the
UK was part of the much larger EU bloc. Or they may choose to block on wholly
unrelated grounds as a means to exert political or economic pressure on the UK.


Afghanistan 29 July 2016
Albania 8 September 2000
Angola 23 November 1996 (GATT: 8 April 1994)
Antigua and Barbuda 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 March 1987)
Argentina 1 January 1995 (GATT: 11 October 1967)
Armenia 5 February 2003
Australia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Austria 1 January 1995 (GATT: 19 October 1951)
Bahrain, Kingdom of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 13 December 1993)
Bangladesh 1 January 1995 (GATT: 16 December 1972)
Barbados 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 February 1967)
Belgium 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Belize 1 January 1995 (GATT: 7 October 1983)
Benin 22 February 1996 (GATT: 12 September 1963)
Bolivia, Plurinational State of 12 September 1995 (GATT: 8 September 1990)
Botswana 31 May 1995 (GATT: 28 August 1987)
Brazil 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 July 1948)
Brunei Darussalam 1 January 1995 (GATT: 9 December 1993)
Bulgaria 1 December 1996
Burkina Faso 3 June 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Burundi 23 July 1995 (GATT: 13 March 1965)
Cabo Verde 23 July 2008
Cambodia 13 October 2004
Cameroon 13 December 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Canada 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Central African Republic 31 May 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Chad 19 October 1996 (GATT: 12 July 1963)
Chile 1 January 1995 (GATT: 16 March 1949)
China 11 December 2001
Colombia 30 April 1995 (GATT: 3 October 1981)
Congo 27 March 1997 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Costa Rica 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 November 1990)
Côte d'Ivoire 1 January 1995 (GATT: 31 December 1963)
Croatia 30 November 2000
Cuba 20 April 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Cyprus 30 July 1995 (GATT: 15 July 1963)
Czech Republic 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 April 1993)
Democratic Republic of the Congo 1 January 1997
Denmark 1 January 1995 (GATT: 28 May 1950)
Djibouti 31 May 1995 (GATT: 16 December 1994)
Dominica 1 January 1995 (GATT: 20 April 1993)
Dominican Republic 9 March 1995 (GATT: 19 May 1950)
Ecuador 21 January 1996
Egypt 30 June 1995 (GATT: 9 May 1970)
El Salvador 7 May 1995 (GATT: 22 May 1991)
Estonia 13 November 1999
European Union (formerly European Communities) 1 January 1995
Fiji 14 January 1996 (GATT: 16 November 1993)
Finland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 25 May 1950)
France 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Gabon 1 January 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
The Gambia 23 October 1996 (GATT: 22 February 1965)
Georgia 14 June 2000
Germany 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 October 1951)
Ghana 1 January 1995 (GATT: 17 October 1957)
Greece 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 March 1950)
Grenada 22 February 1996 (GATT: 9 February 1994)
Guatemala 21 July 1995 (GATT: 10 October 1991)
Guinea 25 October 1995 (GATT: 8 December 1994)
Guinea-Bissau 31 May 1995 (GATT: 17 March 1994)
Guyana 1 January 1995 (GATT: 5 July 1966)
Haiti 30 January 1996 (GATT: 1 January 1950)
Honduras 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 April 1994)
Hong Kong, China 1 January 1995 (GATT: 23 April 1986)
Hungary 1 January 1995 (GATT: 9 September 1973)
Iceland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 21 April 1968)
India 1 January 1995 (GATT: 8 July 1948)
Indonesia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 February 1950)
Ireland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 22 December 1967)
Israel 21 April 1995 (GATT: 5 July 1962)
Italy 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 May 1950)
Jamaica 9 March 1995 (GATT: 31 December 1963)
Japan 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 September 1955)
Jordan 11 April 2000
Kazakhstan 30 November 2015
Kenya 1 January 1995 (GATT: 5 February 1964)
Korea, Republic of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 14 April 1967)
Kuwait, the State of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 3 May 1963)
Kyrgyz Republic 20 December 1998
Lao People’s Democratic Republic 2 February 2013
Latvia 10 February 1999
Lesotho 31 May 1995 (GATT: 8 January 1988)
Liberia 14 July 2016
Liechtenstein 1 September 1995 (GATT: 29 March 1994)
Lithuania 31 May 2001
Luxembourg 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Macao, China 1 January 1995 (GATT: 11 January 1991)
Madagascar 17 November 1995 (GATT: 30 September 1963)
Malawi 31 May 1995 (GATT: 28 August 1964)
Malaysia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 October 1957)
Maldives 31 May 1995 (GATT: 19 April 1983)
Mali 31 May 1995 (GATT: 11 January 1993)
Malta 1 January 1995 (GATT: 17 November 1964)
Mauritania 31 May 1995 (GATT: 30 September 1963)
Mauritius 1 January 1995 (GATT: 2 September 1970)
Mexico 1 January 1995 (GATT: 24 August 1986)
Moldova, Republic of 26 July 2001
Mongolia 29 January 1997
Montenegro 29 April 2012
Morocco 1 January 1995 (GATT: 17 June 1987)
Mozambique 26 August 1995 (GATT: 27 July 1992)
Myanmar 1 January 1995 (GATT: 29 July 1948)
Namibia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 September 1992)
Nepal 23 April 2004
Netherlands 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
New Zealand 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 July 1948)
Nicaragua 3 September 1995 (GATT: 28 May 1950)
Niger 13 December 1996 (GATT: 31 December 1963)
Nigeria 1 January 1995 (GATT: 18 November 1960)
Norway 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 July 1948)
Oman 9 November 2000
Pakistan 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 July 1948)
Panama 6 September 1997
Papua New Guinea 9 June 1996 (GATT: 16 December 1994)
Paraguay 1 January 1995 (GATT: 6 January 1994)
Peru 1 January 1995 (GATT: 7 October 1951)
Philippines 1 January 1995 (GATT: 27 December 1979)
Poland 1 July 1995 (GATT: 18 October 1967)
Portugal 1 January 1995 (GATT: 6 May 1962)
Qatar 13 January 1996 (GATT: 7 April 1994)
Romania 1 January 1995 (GATT: 14 November 1971)
Russian Federation 22 August 2012
Rwanda 22 May 1996 (GATT: 1 January 1966)
Saint Kitts and Nevis 21 February 1996 (GATT: 24 March 1994)
Saint Lucia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 13 April 1993)
Saint Vincent & the Grenadines 1 January 1995 (GATT: 18 May 1993)
Samoa 10 May 2012
Saudi Arabia, Kingdom of 11 December 2005
Senegal 1 January 1995 (GATT: 27 September 1963)
Seychelles 26 April 2015
Sierra Leone 23 July 1995 (GATT: 19 May 1961)
Singapore 1 January 1995 (GATT: 20 August 1973)
Slovak Republic 1 January 1995 (GATT: 15 April 1993)
Slovenia 30 July 1995 (GATT: 30 October 1994)
Solomon Islands 26 July 1996 (GATT: 28 December 1994)
South Africa 1 January 1995 (GATT: 13 June 1948)
Spain 1 January 1995 (GATT: 29 August 1963)
Sri Lanka 1 January 1995 (GATT: 29 July 1948)
Suriname 1 January 1995 (GATT: 22 March 1978)
Swaziland 1 January 1995 (GATT: 8 February 1993)
Sweden 1 January 1995 (GATT: 30 April 1950)
Switzerland 1 July 1995 (GATT: 1 August 1966)
Chinese Taipei 1 January 2002
Tajikistan 2 March 2013
Tanzania 1 January 1995 (GATT: 9 December 1961)
Thailand 1 January 1995 (GATT: 20 November 1982)
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) 4 April 2003
Togo 31 May 1995 (GATT: 20 March 1964)
Tonga 27 July 2007
Trinidad and Tobago 1 March 1995 (GATT: 23 October 1962)
Tunisia 29 March 1995 (GATT: 29 August 1990)
Turkey 26 March 1995 (GATT: 17 October 1951)
Uganda 1 January 1995 (GATT: 23 October 1962)
Ukraine 16 May 2008
United Arab Emirates 10 April 1996 (GATT: 8 March 1994)
United Kingdom 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
United States of America 1 January 1995 (GATT: 1 January 1948)
Uruguay 1 January 1995 (GATT: 6 December 1953)
Vanuatu 24 August 2012
Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of 1 January 1995 (GATT: 31 August 1990)
Viet Nam 11 January 2007
Yemen 26 June 2014
Zambia 1 January 1995 (GATT: 10 February 1982)
Zimbabwe 5 March 1995 (GATT: 11 July 1948)

the world has signed agreements with the EU ,and the US and AUSTRALIA .

Australia-European Union Free Trade Agreement
http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/aeu ... eufta.aspx

https://ustr.gov/tpp/

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/



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