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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Mon May 16, 2016 5:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:It’s not possible to draw any comparisons unless one knows the post-EU arrangements that Britain will have negotiated and entered into.

It will all come down to the “privileged partnership” arrangements that Britain will have negotiated to replace this “exit”… and even then it will be a mammoth task to make/calculate before/after comparisons.


They will have special status in all likelihood.

I also seriously doubt the world will cave in for Britain. The rest of the world is still going to trade with Britain and invest.

Obama was just assisting Cameron with the scare campaign, nothing more. Also because the USA doesn't want the BREXIT and neither do many other countries like Canada and Australia who use the British Government as a friendly voice in the EU Parliament to further expand their interests in trade. But even if they do leave, it's not as if the USA, Australia and Canada are high and dry.

They have too many friends in the EU - France, Germany, Austria, Holland are always very receptive.

I have supported UK membership right from the start and will continue to do so.

Not impressed by Boris and his rather stupid comparison of the EU to the Nazis. Many persistently refer to " loss of sovereignty" What a load of archidhia , most of our sovereignty was lost to the third world years ago. Much of our own culture eroded not by Europe but third world immigrants. The vast majority of the British public swallow the crap that the anti Europe supporters come out with.

We need a united Europe and Britain must play a leading role within the EU.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paphitis » Mon May 16, 2016 5:04 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:It’s not possible to draw any comparisons unless one knows the post-EU arrangements that Britain will have negotiated and entered into.

It will all come down to the “privileged partnership” arrangements that Britain will have negotiated to replace this “exit”… and even then it will be a mammoth task to make/calculate before/after comparisons.


They will have special status in all likelihood.

I also seriously doubt the world will cave in for Britain. The rest of the world is still going to trade with Britain and invest.

Obama was just assisting Cameron with the scare campaign, nothing more. Also because the USA doesn't want the BREXIT and neither do many other countries like Canada and Australia who use the British Government as a friendly voice in the EU Parliament to further expand their interests in trade. But even if they do leave, it's not as if the USA, Australia and Canada are high and dry.

They have too many friends in the EU - France, Germany, Austria, Holland are always very receptive.

I have supported UK membership right from the start and will continue to do so.

Not impressed by Boris and his rather stupid comparison of the EU to the Nazis. Many persistently refer to " loss of sovereignty" What a load of archidhia , most of our sovereignty was lost to the third world years ago. Much of our own culture eroded not by Europe but third world immigrants. The vast majority of the British public swallow the crap that the anti Europe supporters come out with.

We need a united Europe and Britain must play a leading role within the EU.


he is not too wrong about that!

You just need to look at how Greece was treated, which wasn't anywhere near as bad as Cyprus was treated.

There is a sovereignty issue at stake here, so the pro BREXIT campaigners do have a good point in that regard.

There are pros and cons in both arguments. None of the outcomes will be purely win win, or lose lose.

In effect it comes down to this:

Are you a proud brit who believes in Britain and its unquestionable sovereignty? Do you believe in small Government and cutting the bureaucracy? Then vote for BREXIT.

Do you believe in a single common market and are you prepared to join the Eurozone with the loss of fiscal sovereignty this entails? Do you want Brussels to dictate on your lawmaking and trade? Then vote to stay in the EU.

Either way, nothing much changes other than the fiscal sovereignty issue. Which is a very big thing because one day Britain might find itself in Greece's boat.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Tue May 17, 2016 8:19 am

The economic disaster that affected both Greece and Cyprus was brought about by none other than Greece and Cyprus. We can not blame the EU if fiscal policies both in Greece and Cyprus were manipulated by greed and corruption.

Thousands of Cypriots as well as foreign investors lost a considerable sum of money, money stolen by corrupt bankers. The EU did not take my money, the corrupt Cypriot bankers did. I hope we have all learnt a hard but beneficial lesson in that you can not take out more than you put in.

I know a number of UK Cypriots, one suffered a heart attack, who lost most of their retirement nest egg. Some have coped well others are still blaming the EU.

Corruption, nepotism, an insatiable appetite for amassing more and more money has been the primary reason for the economic disaster in both countries.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby erolz66 » Tue May 17, 2016 10:27 am

For me the 'loss of sovereignty' argument is bogus. The very fact that the UK can have a referendum to leave the EU shows that it maintains it's ultimate sovereignty. Every international agreement would be a 'loss of sovereignty' under the definition that the brexit camp are using. WTO agreements are 'loss of sovereignty', membership of the Council of Europe are 'loss of sovereignty'. Signing up to the Geneva convention are 'loss of sovereignty'.

For me it is just plain common sense that some things are decided and handled 'centrally' and that is why we chose to join the EU and why I choose to vote to remain in it. To take one example, government should regulate and certify the safety of things (like say a kettle) to ensure that it is safe to use and be sold. Doing this once centrally across the whole EU is just sensible, rather than doing the same thing separately 28 times in 28 different countries.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 17, 2016 11:00 am

The idea that the UK can revert to being a major player by itself on the world stage like it was 150 years ago when it had a vast empire is ludicrous. The empire is long gone - and a good thing, too. Most countries can only exercise limited sovereignty in the contemporary world, and the best bet for European countries is to combine their clout and act on the world stage as a single entity.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Tue May 17, 2016 11:55 am

Tim Drayton wrote:The idea that the UK can revert to being a major player by itself on the world stage like it was 150 years ago when it had a vast empire is ludicrous. The empire is long gone - and a good thing, too. Most countries can only exercise limited sovereignty in the contemporary world, and the best bet for European countries is to combine their clout and act on the world stage as a single entity.

Agree entirely !
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 17, 2016 12:18 pm

The paradox that I pointed to earlier still exists. The odds with the bookmakers ( http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... hip-result ) make staying in the firm favourite - if anything, the odds have shortened with staying in priced at 1/4 in places - yet the opinion polls suggest that it is neck-and-neck. Can anybody explain this?
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Tue May 17, 2016 12:36 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:The paradox that I pointed to earlier still exists. The odds with the bookmakers ( http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... hip-result ) make staying in the firm favourite - if anything, the odds have shortened with staying in priced at 1/4 in places - yet the opinion polls suggest that it is neck-and-neck. Can anybody explain this?

Bookies are rarely wrong. Opinion polls often wrong.
The UK will vote to stay in by a substantial margin. Some time back my own prediction is " IN" 60% out 40 %.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby kurupetos » Tue May 17, 2016 9:52 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
kurupetos wrote:Good riddance! :lol:

Unfortunately the Zionists are not going to allow it... :evil:


IMO: I think that the visit by Obama was to tell Cameron that " ........the UK WILL NOT leave the EU .... see to it or else! "

He has now roped in La Garde and other banking sector 'remain' supporters, because it is certainly in their interest that the UK remains under their control. It is important to the US to have a mirror image of itself with a federal Europe, where the state is run by the very few for the benefit of the very few. It is easier to deal with a single authority rather than a patchwork of independent States. Personally ..... I think the Eurozone will collapse quite soon and will be followed by the disintegration of the whole idea of a Federal Europe! As you say 'Good riddance' I think only the US and Israel will mourn its passing. :roll:

Much of what they said in the video I didn't have a clue about, I can only believe it to be the truth and is very worrying. Still not sure how I would vote, if I were able to. Whether to sink with the rest of Europe or quit now and go it alone ..... although we would not be alone, we would actually be rejoining the rest of the World that Fortress Europe appears to be cutting us off from.

I am trying to find another such video giving the other view of the story but finding it difficult. They all seem to be relying on this 'fear' factor. :wink:

Why do the Brits not see this sort of thing on the TV? :?:

Because the TV is full of Zionist propaganda.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Wed May 18, 2016 5:23 am

Current bookmakers odds overwhelmingly have the " STAY" vote a strong favourite at 1/4 while the "EXIT" vote an outsider at 11/4 .

Bookies rarely are wrong and it looks as if the UK will remain in Europe for the foreseeable future . Boris, the well educated but lacking in logic anti European MP will then turn his attention to becoming the next Conservative leader.

I have never fallen for his charm and charisma , his un kept and rather eccentric hairstyle, believing him to be a very naïve politician.
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