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West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 20, 2016 2:05 am

This is how dangerous Putin is. His position of weakness will only increase the chances that he will use a Nuclear Weapon against a NATO country in Europe.

The chances he would use a Nuclear Weapon today are currently 1% in my opinion. It is a huge possibility even at just 1%. It will only increase if Putin thinks he could get away with it.

The last thing NATO or the West can afford is to let Russia get away with anything. NATO has to be steadfast and perhaps a stronger involvement in Ukraine is called for with the deployment of NATO Troops.

I also predict future invasions for the Baltic States within the next few years.

A startling claim that the west is on course for war with Russia has been delivered by the former deputy commander of Nato, the former British general Sir Alexander Richard Shirreff.

In a book published on Wednesday, 2017 War With Russia, Shirreff argues that the events in Crimea have destroyed the post-cold-war settlement and set the stage for conflict, beginning next year.

In a chilling scenario, he predicts that Russia, in order to escape what it believes to be encirclement by Nato, will seize territory in eastern Ukraine, open up a land corridor to Crimea and invade the Baltic states.

Shirreff, who was deputy supreme allied commander Europe from 2011 to 2014 and before that served in Northern Ireland, Iraq and the Balkans, is risking his reputation by making such a bold prediction. But he claims his narrative is closely modelled on his Nato experience of war-gaming future conflicts.

His scenario is specific, naming Latvia as the first of the Baltic countries to be invaded, in May next year. Such specifics open him to potential ridicule.

At the book launch at London’s Royal United Services Institute, he heavily caveated the scenario by saying it was still avoidable provided Nato took the necessary steps to pre-position forces in large enough numbers in the Baltic states. Nato is planning to make a start on just such a move at a Nato summit in Warsaw in July.

Faced with scepticism from journalists at the book launch – the Baltic states, unlike Ukraine, are members of Nato, and Russian action against any of them would in theory trigger a response – Shirreff said history was full of irrational decisions by leaders.

He said Putin could invade the Baltic states and then threaten nuclear action if Nato threatened to intervene.

Shirreff’s warning about the danger posed by Russia is echoed in the foreword by US admiral James Stavridis, former supreme allied commander Europe, who writes: “Under President Putin, Russia has charted a dangerous course that, if it is allowed to continue, may lead inexorably to a clash with Nato. And that will mean a war that could so easily go nuclear.”

Shirreff insists that retention of a nuclear deterrent is essential. “Be under no illusion whatsoever – Russian use of nuclear weapons is hardwired into Moscow’s military strategy,” he writes.

He describes Russia as now the west’s most dangerous adversary and says Putin’s course can only be stopped if the west wakes up to the real possibility of war and takes urgent action.

He also rounds on the UK for what he says is the emasculation of its conventional military capability on the assumption that the international scene will remain benign. He says Nato increasingly lacks the knowledge, capability and military hardware to match what he describes as Russia’s ever-improving conventional capability.

He is scathing about David Cameron and Philip Hammond, who was defence secretary before becoming foreign secretary, over cuts in the military. Speaking about Cameron, he writes that he has “made himself increasingly irrelevant on the international stage”.

Shirreff discloses a clash with Hammond, then defence secretary, in 2014 after the general wrote a piece in the Sunday Times saying that cutbacks were a big gamble. “The defence secretary was so infuriated at being questioned in public that I was summoned by General Sir Peter Wall, the chief of the general staff and head of the army, and told that the defence secretary wanted ‘formal action’ against me.

“However, formal action would have involved a court martial and, fortunately for the latter’s political reputation – it also seems he had not appreciated that I reported to Nato and not to him – wiser counsel had prevailed.”

Asked at the book launch about the incident, he said “I think it is the duty of senior soldiers engaged with politicians not to think like politicians, not to make life easy for politicians, but to lay out the military consequences of political decisions. And I sense that is something that has got blurred in recent years.”

The latter point appeared to be a reference to the failure of senior British military figures to stand up to Tony Blair over the invasion of Iraq. The Chilcot inquiry into Iraq is expected to criticise senior British commanders over this failure.

Asked about the consequences for British security of leaving the European Union, Shirreff said it would make the EU weaker and that a weaker EU would make Britain weaker.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... ign=buffer
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Zenon33 » Fri May 20, 2016 2:33 am

Trump will be a good friend of Zar Putin.
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 20, 2016 2:45 am

Zenon33 wrote:Trump will be a good friend of Zar Putin.


Trump is not going to beat Clinton.

But he is good entertainment nonetheless. The gift that keeps on giving! :lol:

Clinton will be the beneficiary of millions of Republican votes.
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 20, 2016 5:44 am

Most unlikely to happen, but if it does, or even a conventional confrontation, it will be the US/NATO alliance that starts it on some dumb trumped up context (false flag) and it will be all the European countries that will pay the price! :x
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Get Real! » Fri May 20, 2016 10:18 am

Paphitis wrote:This is how dangerous Putin is..

...he predicts that Russia, in order to escape what it believes to be encirclement by Nato,

Oh why can't he just accept NATO's encirclement and surrender! :evil:

Typical Australian stupidity… :lol:
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 20, 2016 11:37 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:This is how dangerous Putin is..

...he predicts that Russia, in order to escape what it believes to be encirclement by Nato,

Oh why can't he just accept NATO's encirclement and surrender! :evil:

Typical Australian stupidity… :lol:


NATO countries have a right of self defence. The argument seems to apply to Defencive Missile Shield Umbrellas which are completely defencive.

Turkey uses the same argument against Cyprus by claiming it is encircled from its Western and Soft Southern underbelly by Greek islands!

Your stupidity knows no bounds! :lol:
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Zenon33 » Fri May 20, 2016 12:28 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Zenon33 wrote:Trump will be a good friend of Zar Putin.


Trump is not going to beat Clinton.

But he is good entertainment nonetheless. The gift that keeps on giving! :lol:

Clinton will be the beneficiary of millions of Republican votes.




Are you sure?.

The last 2 polls, Trump up by 5 points (Rasmussen) and by 3 points (FOX News).
Independents hates Hillary, and most Bernie Sanders voters will refuse to vote for her. A lot of white men also will vote for Trump. The Donald must win the male vote by a 70-30 margin.
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 20, 2016 12:32 pm

Paphitis:
NATO countries have a right of self defence.

But, of course this does not apply to any other country the US/Israel wishes to attack. The US can even arm terrorists to overthrow an elected government but if Russia does it for rebels that need to protect themselves from a fascist regime installed by a US instigated and supported coup, that has vowed to eliminate them ........... that is all wrong.
The argument seems to apply to Defencive Missile Shield Umbrellas which are completely defencive.

Defensive my arse! Not too bright are you? The so called defensive shield is designed to take out Russian missiles when they are launched in retaliation for a first strike by the US/NATO alliance. That’s why Putin is a lot smarter than your NATO alliance, he doesn’t fall for the bullsh*t and strengthens his defences accordingly.

As usual the US lied and said they were as a defence against an attack by Iran (that has no such capability) ......... and you will believe that rubbish.

The biggest threat and danger to everyone else is NATO ..... not Russia or Putin.

Some other views related to your initial post ............... of course you will reject the source and completely miss the logic of the arguments! :roll:

A rational opinion regarding your posted Guardian article ….. the observations make common sense to me. Encircle and threaten Russia and you most certainly risk conflict. Nuclear? I doubt it the Russians are too smart to fall for that. The US will end up just like Napoleon and Hitler did before them ….. if they are stupid enough to start something with Russia. 8)

NATO Announces War Policy Against Russia. Chilling Scenario of Encirclement

http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-announces-war-policy-against-russia-chilling-scenario-of-encirclement/5526014


Whilst you are throwing your boomerangs at Russia ..... this lot will be settling into Australia’s Northern Territory and working their way south! Better cool the beer and get the B-B-Q out ready to welcome them. :o



Rattle the tigers cage enough and it will eventually bite you ..... I am just waiting for China and Russia to set up missile defence systems in Mexico, Cuba and the borders of Alaska and run naval patrols up and down the US Western and Eastern sea board as they exercise their rights of passage in International waters. :D



All to counter Russias mythical ‘aggression’? :lol: :lol:

Threatening Russia: U.S. Missiles in Romania and Poland, Europe on the Nuclear Frontline

http://www.globalresearch.ca/threatening-russia-u-s-missiles-in-romania-and-poland-europe-on-the-nuclear-frontline/5526068


Are these people actually mad?’ ..... short answer YES; ........ long answer YES!



Putin did apologise for having his borders so close to NATO installations ..... what more could you ask for? :roll:
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 20, 2016 3:02 pm

Zenon33 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Zenon33 wrote:Trump will be a good friend of Zar Putin.


Trump is not going to beat Clinton.

But he is good entertainment nonetheless. The gift that keeps on giving! :lol:

Clinton will be the beneficiary of millions of Republican votes.




Are you sure?.

The last 2 polls, Trump up by 5 points (Rasmussen) and by 3 points (FOX News).
Independents hates Hillary, and most Bernie Sanders voters will refuse to vote for her. A lot of white men also will vote for Trump. The Donald must win the male vote by a 70-30 margin.


Pretty sure mate. Most Americans do not vote on racial or gender grounds. If that were the case, then Obama would not have been President for 2 terms. On top of that, Obama is Muslim.

The Republicans are divided. The establishment won't vote for Trump. Sanders supporters won't vote for Trump so it's either they don't vote or vote for Hillary.

Hillary is well in front and got it in the bag.
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Re: West And Russia on course for war!

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 20, 2016 4:26 pm

...November is a long way off.
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