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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue May 24, 2016 1:40 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I am also no hypocrite!


You probably are.

- But worse, you are an idiot who makes irrelevant comparisons as though life was a board-game.


No I do not believe that is the case.

Civilians are being targeted and entire Sunni populations are being repressed. These are not terrorists.

The Coalition has been caught napping and there is a big price to pay for that, because there will be no peace for a very long time.

The Russians and Syrians have been predicting the imminent fall of Aleppo. All we are seeing now is areas changing hands many times, and quite clearly, the rebels are not giving up.

And ISIL is just as much a threat as it ever was.
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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue May 24, 2016 2:00 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I am also no hypocrite!


You probably are.

- But worse, you are an idiot who makes irrelevant comparisons as though life was a board-game.


Let me explain how serious this "board game" is.

Firstly, extreme groups such as Al Nusra and ISIL will be defeated even comprehensively if we remove their funding and stifle their recruitment. The Coalition has proven to be quite successful at achieving these outcomes.

The Russian and Assad interventions have been counterproductive and act to increase recruitment. When populations are repressed then some people will join Al Nusra and ISIL because these extremists have been the most successful.

Some will join the Syrian Democratic Front which is supported by the West.

Some people have been under siege for 2 years or more. No food or medicine is being allowed in despite what was agreed to by The Syria Action Group. Civilians are resorting to eat grass, babies do not get any formula, hospitals are being bombed so they can't treat the Sunni populace.

200,000 people have been killed so far. If the Sunnis do not achieve some kind of acceptable solution, they will continue. I don't think there is any going back. It will continue even if they lose Ghouta and Aleppo, and Coalition Aircraft will shield these civilians from Airstrikes. There is nothing else that the Coalition can do but shield them until the find refuge and drop supplies, food and medicines. That is what I would anticipate and expect.

So their rebellion will still exist from the desert and countryside. There really is no choice for them. It is either fight, or die, or continue to live under a regime that doesn't even acknowledge their existence.

Not to mention the fact that there will be a lot of pissed off countries around looking for the next proxy and what we see right now is Yemen flaring up. Will it be as big or bigger than the conflict in Syria. Possibly it could be and there are going to be many external actors like Iran and Saudi Arabia. Maybe, Coalition and Russia might get involved again down the track, its difficult to know.

But we will be looking at mass murder on a grand scale just like we are seeing in Syria. Tens of thousands of people killed at least.

The only way out for the entire region is some kind of transition away from Assad otherwise the wars will just continue. Other countries are also in the firing line such as Yemen and Iraq. In Iraq, similar scenarios were unfolding which encouraged the existence of ISIL. The USA was a party to this with the previous US Client Iraqi regime, but it never supported the repression of Sunni tribes.

So the shooting down of a Russian Jet is the least of anyone's problems.
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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue May 24, 2016 2:18 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I am also no hypocrite!


You probably are.

- But worse, you are an idiot who makes irrelevant comparisons as though life was a board-game.


Look elsewhere to find your idiots.

I know exactly what is at stake and quite frankly I do genuinely care and think it is disgusting what is occurring in Syria. I want it to stop and everything I say is my genuine belief that it will assist in the cessation of conflict and hopefully peace provided the Sunnis also have a future in that country.

My analysis is VERY valid. I don't do propaganda either.

To find another idiot, you might also need to look in the mirror if you believe that Russians and Assad Regime are putting an end to this conflict.

The only solution is transition. Then, all parties (Russians included), can work on destroying ISIL and Al Nusra much more efficiently. Targeting civilians and the Rebels is not the way to go. That will only perpetuate everything and provide ISIL with exactly what it needs to recruit more people.

The Russians can even install their own peacekeepers afterwards because let's face it, peace is not going to be easily achieved when there are Fathers out there who have lost their wife and all their children in this conflict. I can see how this could even crush someone's will to live. Can you imagine? This is the kind of stuff that perpetuates extremism, and I find it very difficult to criticize it if you think through the ramifications and pain. I am not trying to be deliberately over-dramatic, but these types of human tragedies are common place in Syria and fuel the war. It is getting ridiculous now when you tell these people that Assad is the lesser of 2 evils when he has been caught with his pants down with leaked documents explicitly and graphically describing the torture and murder of 10,000 Sunni prisoners not to mention the Sarin Gas attacks a couple of years ago.

There are currently millions of displaced Syrians registered with the UNHCR.

We all want this to stop. I believe what Russia is doing is making things much worse. might can not prevail over millions of people who feel an injustice. It is inevitably unwinnable for Assad!

The Coalition has at least recognized these hard realities, because we have had a history of going into countries thinking our Firepower can prevail over entire populations. The fact is, it can't because people will not stop ever.

Cypriots have stopped because they feel content with high standards of living. But when you're a Syrian Sunni and can't get baby formula even, you just won't. Think about it? Why the hell would you stop when you got nothing to lose?
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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby miltiades » Tue May 24, 2016 6:36 am

Paphitis says: "My analysis is VERY valid. I don't do propaganda either. " :lol: :lol:

I think we should ask members opinion on this, don't you ?

Would you agree to a poll asking members if your analysis on the Syrian issue, the downing of more Russian planes by Turkey,
the superiority of the Arabic culture over that of the west are indeed valid.
If you agree lets do it :lol:
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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue May 24, 2016 7:51 am

miltiades wrote:Paphitis says: "My analysis is VERY valid. I don't do propaganda either. " :lol: :lol:

I think we should ask members opinion on this, don't you ?

Would you agree to a poll asking members if your analysis on the Syrian issue, the downing of more Russian planes by Turkey,
the superiority of the Arabic culture over that of the west are indeed valid.
If you agree lets do it :lol:


You're a total idiot.

It would depend on how you ask the question. But I don't think that will stop you from your childish and pathetic games.

Sure, if you ask a bunch of Cypriots no less on whether Turkey should shoot down Russian Jets, then surely most will answer NO.

However, if you ask them and attach my reasoning and concerns pertaining to the criminal bombing and displacement of Sunni Civilians as a justification, then some Cypriots might say NO, some will say YES and most of the real world might say YES as well. Cypriots are not as naive these days to just blindly follow Russia because they are Orthodox or because they hate the USA. Many Cypriots have grown up and actually have a lot of political maturity about things.

You can spin any poll to come up with an outcome, but you are inept at explaining yourself or coming up with any counter argument so you resort to your games.

I STAND BY MY PRINCIPLES! AND THAT'S IT.

You are very lucky I read your posts, because I don't read your friends delusions anymore. I just post emoticons because that is all he deserves.
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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby miltiades » Tue May 24, 2016 8:18 am

OK , mate you start the poll, use whatever wording you wish provided that you include your views on Syria and your wish to see more Russian planes shot down by Turkey.

You have half an hour to do so, failing that I shall ask a simple question.

Are Paphitis views on the Syrian and associated issues valid ? Yes they are, No they are not.
Is this ok ?
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Re: Turk Wants To Down Another Russian Jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue May 24, 2016 8:29 am

miltiades wrote:OK , mate you start the poll, use whatever wording you wish provided that you include your views on Syria and your wish to see more Russian planes shot down by Turkey.

You have half an hour to do so, failing that I shall ask a simple question.

Are Paphitis views on the Syrian and associated issues valid ? Yes they are, No they are not.
Is this ok ?


No your the poll King on this forum. I don't do drama (we already have 2 drama queens in YOU and RH).

I have my views and you have yours.

My views are valid and Internationally Accepted by most countries on this planet including the Greek and Cypriot Government. The entire issue is a minefield and at the heart of it is of course whether you support the alleged war crimes of Assad and his rule or do you support the self determination of Sunnis and their associated Human Rights in Syria, who btw are the majority? That is what it comes down to.

The rest is just politics and point scoring, and countries like Greece and Cyprus are between a rock and a hard place because of the Cyprus Problem. Hence their very smart political position despite Russia. They would quickly compromise themselves otherwise.

So yes, my views are valid. They are VERY valid. And there is not a lot of disagreement either. Just ask your own Government, whether that be the UK or Cyprus!
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