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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby Sotos » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:34 am

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote: You insisted that enosis was flat out not our right.


Clearly I must have done something that has given you this impression, though to be honest I remain unclear exactly what it was I said that gave you this impression.

Sotos wrote: If you had said what you said now we wouldn't be arguing because I have already told you in the past that I accept that we were inconsiderate to the wishes, fears etc of the TCs and I accepted that this was wrong. So can you stop bringing this point up constantly?


I bring it up because it is for me personally the core of the issue. If you say to me you agree that GC acting not as Cypriots regardless of the type of Cypriot they are, but acting in ways that are solely defined by their ethnic differences to TC, solely by their Greekness, will never do so without any need to consider the wishes of TC who are not Greek, if they can get 'over 50%', then we are done. I will in turn agree to a unitary Cyprus with no bi zonality or Bi communality etc etc. However when you say to me that GC have an absolute democratic right to impose on my community in Cyprus that is not Greek, even things that are solely defined by your Greekness, without any requirement to consider the wishes of the TC community, just because there are more of you, well that is then why I need and require 'special protections'. That is the whole point I am making.

Sotos wrote:As you said for an independent Cyprus we need to emphasize what we have in common, so lets top arguing about what seems to be a minor difference on something which is in any case irrelevant in our era!


I do not think it is irrelevant to the 'now', not in terms of the concepts of can / should a GC numerical majority be able to seek for all Cypriots things that are defined solely by their Greekness alone, without having to pay any regard to the wishes of the TC community. For me that question is still at the core of what I need in order to not require any 'special' provisions fro my community.

Having said all that I would work with any Cypriot to emphasise and strengthen and reinforce our commonality as Cypriots and stop arguing about differences and indeed have done this on many occasions.


In that case we are basically in agreement. Lets just bookmark this post and lets refer to it every time we get into the same discussion again! It is one thing to say that Cypriots did not have a right for enosis (which is what I understood you meant) and another thing to qualify that by adding "without any need to consider the wishes of TC who are not Greek". In that case I wholly agree! And I don't agree just for the TCs, but for any group of people... democracy is not just "50%+1", but those elected should try to gather the greater possible consensus for their choices, by talking to all political parties, ethnic groups, workers affected etc. Achieving a 100% consensus is not always possible, but no important choice should be made without a sincere discussion by all involved. And of course no choice should be made if the human rights, safety or well being of any group would be threatened. If for example a country wants to turn to "Green" sources of energy and stop burning coal, even though this might be a good choice overall for most people, they still need to consider the needs of the coal miners and properly accommodate them so they will not end up unemployed and have their standard of living reduced.
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:35 am

...indeed, it is Constitutional Reform that is needed. Like a "new Turkey", a "new Cyprus", is not needed; a change of intentions is needed.

Lordo, how can you be a "Turk", and a Cypriot at the same time? "You" are the occupation regime's puppet, surviving because of an Agenda which has been framed to include only a conversation, as "Turks", with those not "Turk" (called "Greek").

...it is clearer now however, as so much time has gone by, that "Greeks" and "Turks", are, the other half so to speak, when compared to the Cypriots who do not identify themselves as "such". Cypriots (still) exist.

In Cyprus, only the Republic can secure the Freedom we are looking for as Cypriots. To live as Individuals, is to be Cypriot. To live peacefully, and in happiness, requires our recognition and respect for each other, as Cypriots.

While within such a state, Cypriot Constituencies may exist to sustain distinct identities. Contrarily, as Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin have demonstrated, "being" Cypriot cannot be forbidden.

...the way i see it there is the "new" Cyprus, with its "Greek" flag and its "Turkish" flag, or there is Cyprus and the flag that i am suggesting the man, Akinci, join me in flying it, highest.

@Oceanside, i am hopeful;

...there does exist an opposition in the Press, (Unions, the youth) people who are for, Cyprus, in the occupied north. Many examples abound where what is decent is said plainly while it may contradict the view of "those" in power.

...I am also hopeful because Akinci was elected by this same population, having a choice to vote for Turkey by voting for Eroglu, chose to vote for him, and Cyprus, instead.

...the benefits for Cypriots of "being" Cypriot are far greater than in being "Greek", or "Turk". Cyprus will not be divided, the Republic will remain, what will change is the Agenda. Cypriots sit at the table, they may act accordingly.
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:49 am

RW :roll: :roll: .....panagia mou re RW... greek or "greek" turk or "turk" whats the difference?
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ill probably have the same dream tonight, of you being a chubby kid with chubby red cheeks riding a red bike with hair like Alfalfa from the little rascals...
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:29 am

how many times does akinci have to repeat it. there will be no uniter and no konfederasoyon. those are his words he used in terggish gavle. there will be a federal kibris is what he said. if you dont understand this then you need some help.
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby kurupetos » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:33 am

Lordo wrote:how many times does akinci have to repeat it. there will be no uniter and no konfederasoyon. those are his words he used in terggish gavle. there will be a federal kibris is what he said. if you dont understand this then you need some help.

We reject federation, kuz. Sorry! :mrgreen:
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:42 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:how many times does akinci have to repeat it. there will be no uniter and no konfederasoyon. those are his words he used in terggish gavle. there will be a federal kibris is what he said. if you dont understand this then you need some help.

We reject federation, kuz. Sorry! :mrgreen:

yep just like you rejected marash/varosha when it was offered to you with no strings attached. because are too ...........
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:42 am

...i ask, has anyone seen Mr. Akinci beside his Flag; the Flag of Cyprus?

Lordo, i'm sorry, you sound like one of "them". Famagusta should have been returned to its rightful owners long ago, but it wasn't. It is not a bargaining chip for "you" to claim there are no strings attached. Why was it not returned immediately, why was it evacuated in the first place? Why should this injustice continue? It is like anything (read: not "Turkish") Cypriot to the "Turks", if it is not taken as "theirs", having taken it, it is denied to the "others" (whoever they are) just the same.

...we need to fly the Flag of Cyprus, and we need to express the value in it by our own actions accordingly. This Flag needs to be seen, by Mr. Akinci, we need to remind him what he was elected for.
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:24 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...i ask, has anyone seen Mr. Akinci beside his Flag; the Flag of Cyprus?

Lordo, i'm sorry, you sound like one of "them". Famagusta should have been returned to its rightful owners long ago, but it wasn't. It is not a bargaining chip for "you" to claim there are no strings attached. Why was it not returned immediately, why was it evacuated in the first place? Why should this injustice continue? It is like anything (read: not "Turkish") Cypriot to the "Turks", if it is not taken as "theirs", having taken it, it is denied to the "others" (whoever they are) just the same.

...we need to fly the Flag of Cyprus, and we need to express the value in it by our own actions accordingly. This Flag needs to be seen, by Mr. Akinci, we need to remind him what he was elected for.

rw when it was offered it was refused. when i said there were no string attached there was one tiny string. the gc leadership had to return to the negotiating table but sit in the same room as the tcs. that is why it was not returned. they refused to do both. no strings attached really was that the return was not going to be part of a peace deal. if there was no peace agreement they were not going to refuse to hand it over.

so i hope this clears up what really was going on at the time. as to the flag and mr akinci you really want to have your cake an eat it all in one go.
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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:36 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:Sotos, was born sometime after 1974 so he has NO IDEA what was going on in Cyprus pre 74. Anyway...

When Grivas died in 1971 there was no second in command to take charge so for the frenzied Hellenists it was like a green light to do as they pleased, so between 71 and 74 God knows how many people were arrested, tortured and murdered for refusing to go along with Greece’s ideas.


On and on with your lies! Or, exposed for your lack of local knowledge ....

Γεώργιος Γρίβας: July 1897 – 27 January 1974.

Pathetic :roll:

I thought it was 71 or 72…. ah well whatever year.


So then you admit you're just making everything up as you go along. All that, ".....so between 71 and 74 God knows how many people were arrested, tortured and murdered for refusing to go along with Greece’s ideas...." stuff is all crap off the top of your tiny head!

My dear, you were raised in the remote north-western corner of Cyprus where the most exciting thing that happened between 1950 and 1974 was when Yiannis’ cow gave birth to triplets but unlike you I lived in Nicosia where all the ACTION was. :)

I’ll bet the isolated people of your village; cut off by the huge Troodos mountain range, didn’t even realize when the Venetians, Romans, Ottomans, and a bunch of 20 other tribes came and went! :lol:

Btw, when was the first asphalt road built that connected your village with the rest of Cyprus? Was it not sometime in the 1990s when a bunch of adventurous Brits discovered you while trekking? :lol:

They came back with stories of a remote people who communicated in a form of Skoullos sign language and with their nakedness covered by sheepskins! :lol:



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Re: I hold the Flag of Cyprus

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:17 pm

...Famagusta, has been on the table, many times, when are you referring to precisely?
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