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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:08 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:The absence of R1b- M589 lineages in Crete and the Balkans and the presence in Asia Minor are compatible with Late Bronze Age influences from Anatolia rather than from Mycenaean Greeks.


What absolute nonsense! You can't go by the "absence" of something, and especially in such a small pool, to draw any meaningful conclusions.

However, most of the present day European lineage passed out of Africa through the middle east. Then there was some mixing with the Asian pool. It depends which markers you use and when they arose as to what it tells you and you have to interpret accordingly.
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Re: this is a must

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:18 am

so how much terggish dna do you have my little tourgociraboullouimmmmmmu
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Re: this is a must

Postby erolz66 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:19 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:....and you have to interpret accordingly.


Given that you 'interpreted' the EU concluding that "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations" as meaning the EU had concluded that "Greece is NOT seriously neglecting its obligations" then it is hardly surprising that your interpretation of such genetic studies gives you exactly the result you ideology requires.

I personally find the interpretation of those who did such studies vastly more credible than your interpretation - for obvious reason (see above).
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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:22 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:....and you have to interpret accordingly.


Given that you 'interpreted' the EU concluding that "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations" as meaning the EU had concluded that "Greece is NOT seriously neglecting its obligations" then it is hardly surprising that your interpretation of such genetic studies gives you exactly the result you ideology requires.

I personally find the interpretation of those who did such studies vastly more credible than your interpretation - for obvious reason (see above).


There's a difference between science and political rhetoric. You are good at one and I am better at the other. :D
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Re: this is a must

Postby erolz66 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:10 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:There's a difference between science and political rhetoric. You are good at one and I am better at the other. :D


yeah so good that your interpretation that just happens to also match your ideology requirements is superior to that of the people who actual did the study. In your mind that is.
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Re: this is a must

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:47 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:The absence of R1b- M589 lineages in Crete and the Balkans and the presence in Asia Minor are compatible with Late Bronze Age influences from Anatolia rather than from Mycenaean Greeks.


What absolute nonsense! You can't go by the "absence" of something, and especially in such a small pool, to draw any meaningful conclusions.


tell that to the scientist who wrote the paper I quoted from....
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Re: this is a must

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:50 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:This tells like it is about Cypriots, at least through Y-DnA
http://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13323-016-0032-8
Conclusions
Analyses of Cypriot haplogroup data are consistent with two stages of prehistoric settlement. E-V13 and E-M34 are widespread, and PCA suggests sourcing them to the Balkans and Levant/Anatolia, respectively. The persistent pre-Greek component is represented by elements of G2-U5(xL30) haplogroups: U5*, PF3147, and L293. J2b-M205 may contribute also to the pre-Greek strata. The majority of R1b-Z2105 lineages occur in both the westernmost and easternmost districts. Distinctively, sub-haplogroup R1b- M589 occurs only in the east. The absence of R1b- M589 lineages in Crete and the Balkans and the presence in Asia Minor are compatible with Late Bronze Age influences from Anatolia rather than from Mycenaean Greeks.
See Also
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
This give clues about MtDnA
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml

Oh and btw we also have 50% banana remnants in our DNA - using "g"IG logic, that is...


It's not my logic but my attempt to ridicule those who think they are "5% German" whatever that means. Oh, but don't forget our dinosaur cousins ... except one of my closest is Marie Antoinette, apparently. Did dinosaurs eat cake/brioche?


So I see you now agree with me about Dinosaurs being our cousins....http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39665-30.html
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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:37 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:This tells like it is about Cypriots, at least through Y-DnA
http://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13323-016-0032-8
Conclusions
Analyses of Cypriot haplogroup data are consistent with two stages of prehistoric settlement. E-V13 and E-M34 are widespread, and PCA suggests sourcing them to the Balkans and Levant/Anatolia, respectively. The persistent pre-Greek component is represented by elements of G2-U5(xL30) haplogroups: U5*, PF3147, and L293. J2b-M205 may contribute also to the pre-Greek strata. The majority of R1b-Z2105 lineages occur in both the westernmost and easternmost districts. Distinctively, sub-haplogroup R1b- M589 occurs only in the east. The absence of R1b- M589 lineages in Crete and the Balkans and the presence in Asia Minor are compatible with Late Bronze Age influences from Anatolia rather than from Mycenaean Greeks.
See Also
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
This give clues about MtDnA
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml

Oh and btw we also have 50% banana remnants in our DNA - using "g"IG logic, that is...


It's not my logic but my attempt to ridicule those who think they are "5% German" whatever that means. Oh, but don't forget our dinosaur cousins ... except one of my closest is Marie Antoinette, apparently. Did dinosaurs eat cake/brioche?


So I see you now agree with me about Dinosaurs being our cousins....http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39665-30.html


I see only that your confusion continues.
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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:38 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:There's a difference between science and political rhetoric. You are good at one and I am better at the other. :D


yeah so good that your interpretation that just happens to also match your ideology requirements is superior to that of the people who actual did the study. In your mind that is.


Oh yeah, so who actually filmed/made that facebook video, because I don't see any "study" giving us the data?
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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:41 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:The absence of R1b- M589 lineages in Crete and the Balkans and the presence in Asia Minor are compatible with Late Bronze Age influences from Anatolia rather than from Mycenaean Greeks.


What absolute nonsense! You can't go by the "absence" of something, and especially in such a small pool, to draw any meaningful conclusions.


tell that to the scientist who wrote the paper I quoted from....


No, you presented it as your statement, it wasn't in quotation marks.
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