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Re: this is a must

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:29 pm

Comparing the entire set of Y-chromosome haplogroups with those from regional populations surrounding Cyprus revealed a high Anatolian influence (mY = 66 %), followed by the Levant (mY = 24 %)

Sorry, I shold have put that in quotation marks

[url]Comparing the entire set of Y-chromosome haplogroups with those from regional populations surrounding Cyprus revealed a high Anatolian influence (mY = 66 %), followed by the Levant (mY = 24 %)[/url]

That seeming leaves the rest from Balkan Danube and Greece...

It seems to me it must be axiomatic that the relative lack of Greek Influence in the YDNA suggests limited Mycenean Influence since otherwise the distributions would be different and so would the pattern as reflected by mutation rates since the alleged mugration event.
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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:51 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Comparing the entire set of Y-chromosome haplogroups with those from regional populations surrounding Cyprus revealed a high Anatolian influence (mY = 66 %), followed by the Levant (mY = 24 %)

Sorry, I shold have put that in quotation marks

[url]Comparing the entire set of Y-chromosome haplogroups with those from regional populations surrounding Cyprus revealed a high Anatolian influence (mY = 66 %), followed by the Levant (mY = 24 %)[/url]

That seeming leaves the rest from Balkan Danube and Greece...

It seems to me it must be axiomatic that the relative lack of Greek Influence in the YDNA suggests limited Mycenean Influence since otherwise the distributions would be different and so would the pattern as reflected by mutation rates since the alleged mugration event.


You should have read on:

Although, when using the entire set of Y-chromosome haplogroup frequencies, the composition of Cyprus can be explained by contributions from Anatolia, Balkans, and Levant, the actual Greek contribution stood out for the Cypriot E-V13 (87 %), J2a-M67 (74 %), R1b-M269 (48 %), and G-P15 (17 %) components.
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Re: this is a must

Postby Sotos » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:11 pm

Stud, did you see my post here: cyprus43980-10.html#p822840 You can see how two Greek islands, Cyprus and Crete, compare with other Greek territories, and how two Italian Islands, Sicily and Sardinia, compare with other Italian territories. No place has the exact same DNA composition but as you can see Cyprus is close enough to all other Greek territories. If there is one case which stands our that is Sardinia, whose DNA composition is far more different to other Italian territories. For example the difference between Crete and Cyprus is 33 points, while the difference between Sardinia and Sicily is 82.5 points! When you see things RELATIVELY on how different people within the same nation are, you can see that our Greek Nation is very homogeneous compared to most others. Imagine the differences in the UK... where you have so many blacks and other races!
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Re: this is a must

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:12 pm

Sotos,

Thanks for the considered response. gIG has already dismissed the Eupedia data, stating that there are more recent reports. This time she is right. There is. The one I cited.

The Eupedia data is uspect as it is compiled from many sources but in particular it does have a sample size for Cyprus. Indeed looking for information on Cypriot genetics seems quite tricky. This apppears to be one of the very few that have specifically commented on Greek Speaking Cypriots and looked at if not for Greek roots, and found that there was probably at best limited Greek Migration to Cyprus.

There will be similarities with Crete as Crete and Cyprus seemingly share the same ir similar history of migrations. Not quite udentical but significant founder populations coming from Anatolia, with a bit more of a Levantine influence in Cyprus due to proximity. The Aegean and Greece mainland likewise had similar early migration or migrations heading west. Nainland Greece and to a lesser extent then had other migrations fro, but these do not appear to have come through to Cyprus, as they probably should, if there had been such a large Greek Migrstion as some argue from Emotion rather than science.

What this report does, which Eupedia does not do, is look at times of divergance, using AMOVA and SAMOVA related testing to estimate this. The times generated for divergence within many Clades is to ancient for it to be Mycenaean in nature, and whike some clades with a limited presence, eg E-V13, seem to diverge at about the right time, the levels are smaller.

Tge science tends to suggest limited Greek input in Genetial make up of Cyprus.
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Re: this is a must

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:34 pm

Stud, please don't start typing your confused nonsense with the added disadvantage of being drunk!
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Re: this is a must

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:37 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Stud, please don't start typing your confused nonsense with the added disadvantage of being drunk!
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Ah, The usual ad homin attack which says fuck all of substance to deal with the substance if the issue.

That is what you do here, when some one looks at issues that offends your make-believe world view you get abusive, once again showing what limited intellectual caoacity for debate you have.

You add nothing here with this particular butting in, so butt-out.
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Re: this is a must

Postby Sotos » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:27 am

Stud, prehistoric people existed nearly everywhere and nobody said that Cyprus was uninhabited when the Mycenaeans came. Beyond that trying to use whichever study suits your aim and discard the ones that don't is silly at the very least. Claiming that one study is outdated and can therefore can be dismissed simply shows that "your" study can also become outdated by another which would show contrary results. In the end of the day DNA doesn't matter at all in who can be a member of a nation anyway. Do you discriminate the members of your nation based on their DNA? This is called eugenics and it is a fascist practice. If you want you can follow such Nazi practices in your own nation, which will be much easier to divide into discrete groups, than our Greek nation which is relatively homogeneous. Attempts to divide our nation with such fascist practices not only can not succeed, but on the contrary brings our nation closer together.
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Re: this is a must

Postby Sotos » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:50 am

Stud, since you like to divide nations based on the DNA of their people and determine who can and can't be a member of a nation based on that, and since you SHOULD do it for your own nation first before you can promote your fascist view to others, I would suggest you start with the English National team. I made the start for you by eliminating those whose DNA is obviously not even European. Make a DNA analysis on the rest to see how purely English the rest are... I bet that in the end you will be left with none... or maybe just Rooney!

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Re: this is a must

Postby Sotos » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:16 am

Scrap what I said about Rooney... he is of Irish descent :lol:
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Re: this is a must

Postby erolz66 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:07 am

Sotos wrote:Stud, since you like to divide nations based on the DNA of their people and determine who can and can't be a member of a nation based on that, and since you SHOULD do it for your own nation first before you can promote your fascist view to others, I would suggest you start with the English National team.


This seems to me about as straw man an argument as there can be Sotos. I do not recall STUD ever saying that DNA should determine who can or should be a member of given nation ? Such patterns of migration have nothing to do with citizenship today. However they do I think have something to do with claims that a given people only are the 'native' people of a given place and that others are not ?
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