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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:10 pm

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Lordo wrote:you will not have to do anything tim. i am sure they new rules will only apply to new people and not those already in the country.


so im a member of a cricket club ,and i ´resign´ but i can still get the same service and cheap drinks as the members who pay ???


Yes you can ..... you just cannot play cricket! :roll: :D


Here speaks the idiot who thinks the British NHS will stay pay his health bills in Cyprus after a British exit from the union. Well, it looks like you may get the chance to see if that's so (and yes, I know that free health care for British retirees in Cyprus bankrolled by the NHS hasn't ended in the past 24 hours. That's because the UK is still an EU member state and nothing has changed yet, moron).


SPAIN stopped all free health care for ´illegals´ a few years back - the EU said you cant do that and brought in EU rules saying that ANYONE WITHOUT PRIVATE HEALTH CARE
MUST BUY PUBLIC HELTH CARE TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY - the rate in spain is working age €350 a month - 65+ €500 - 70+ €700
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:46 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paul ZKTV wrote:
Lordo wrote:you will not have to do anything tim. i am sure they new rules will only apply to new people and not those already in the country.


so im a member of a cricket club ,and i ´resign´ but i can still get the same service and cheap drinks as the members who pay ???


Yes you can ..... you just cannot play cricket! :roll: :D


Here speaks the idiot who thinks the British NHS will stay pay his health bills in Cyprus after a British exit from the union. Well, it looks like you may get the chance to see if that's so (and yes, I know that free health care for British retirees in Cyprus bankrolled by the NHS hasn't ended in the past 24 hours. That's because the UK is still an EU member state and nothing has changed yet, moron).


SPAIN stopped all free health care for ´illegals´ a few years back - the EU said you cant do that and brought in EU rules saying that ANYONE WITHOUT PRIVATE HEALTH CARE
MUST BUY PUBLIC HELTH CARE TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY - the rate in spain is working age €350 a month - 65+ €500 - 70+ €700


We are not 'illegals' for a start! I have the agreement to own property in Cyprus and to live here on a permanent basis from The Council of Ministers when I bought here in 1991 and moved here in 1994, a long time before they joined the EU.

BTW: The charge in Spain for a pensioner to get free treatment is just €8 a month if you earn less than €18K. I pay €3 for every visit in Cyprus or €6 to see a specialist.. A bit different to you €700 a month! :roll:

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For your information .... the NHS does NOT fund my healthcare here! What is it you find so difficult to understand about ' a reciprocal arrangement'? It is an arrangement between two countries, it is only what a healthcare system should provide that is dictated by the EU Directives.

I got my information directly from the right people at the Ministry of Health (a couple of months ago) , first hand and explained to me in detail. Cyprus has 'arrangements. with many countries that are not members of the EU .... Australia for instance.

You are just scare mongering from a position of ignorance. I suggest before you insult people by calling them 'idiots'/'morons you should try and talk to people that know what they are talking about and have the knowledge to answer your questions ..... a good start would be the Ministry of Health. :roll:
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:24 pm

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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:44 pm

The following table may help to explain the situation:
If you are: Then you are:
A Born in the island of Ireland on or before 31 December 2004 Entitled to Irish citizenship or you are an Irish citizen
B Born on the island of Ireland on or after 1 January 2005 Entitled to Irish citizenship if your parents are Irish. Entitled to Irish citizenship, if your parents are foreign nationals legally resident in the island of Ireland for 3 out of 4 years immediately prior to your birth.
C Child of A, born outside the island of Ireland An Irish citizen
D Child of C and a grandchild of A, born outside the island of Ireland Entitled to Irish citizenship, but you must first register in the Foreign Births Register
E a child of D and a great-grandchild of A, born outside the island of Ireland Entitled to Irish citizenship, by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, but only if your p
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:03 pm

We are not 'illegals' for a start! I have the agreement to own property in Cyprus and to live here on a permanent basis from The Council of Ministers when I bought here in 1991 and moved here in 1994, a long time before they joined the EU.
I was saying the EU rules that apply to you were brought in in after SPAIN tried to stop ´boat people´ from getting free health care

BTW: The charge in Spain for a pensioner to get free treatment is just €8 a month if you earn less than €18K. I pay €3 for every visit in Cyprus or €6 to see a specialist.. A bit different to you €700 a month!
That is a EU CITIZEN - which you soon will not be -It is upto €700 a month for NON-EU

For your information .... the NHS does NOT fund my healthcare here! What is it you find so difficult to understand about ' a reciprocal arrangement'? It is an arrangement between two countries, it is only what a healthcare system should provide that is dictated by the EU Directives.
happy to read the website that says that - here is the ROC MINISTRY OF HEALTH website
http://www.moh.gov.cy/moh/moh.nsf/All/F ... enDocument
As from August 1, 2013, new regulations came into force regarding the provision of healthcare in public hospitals
According to the Government Medical Institutions and Services Laws of 1978 to 2013, no benefit is granted to a person unless that person:
contributed at the Social Insurance scheme for a minimum period of three years.

As a rule Medical Cards are issued to Cypriots and EU citizens who reside permanently in Cyprus.
NON EU its €15 for a visit to a general practitioner and €30 for a visit to a specialist. -

I got my information directly from the right people at the Ministry of Health (a couple of months ago) , first hand and explained to me in detail. Cyprus has 'arrangements. with many countries that are not members of the EU .... Australia for instance.
you could be right but EU countries dont - they have a single market for all members
Here is UK website ..
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcare ... ction.aspx
Moving outside the EEA
here is the EU site re S1 form
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/wo ... dex_en.htm
this is the form from the ROC to get a medical card
VI. OTHER EUROPEAN CITIZENS / EUROPEAN PENSIONERS
Any European document S1 (Ε121, Ε109, Ε106), two copies.
You will not be covered for healthcare paid for by the UK if you are going to live permanently outside the European Economic Area (EEA).
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:38 pm

BTW: The charge in Spain for a pensioner to get free treatment is just €8 a month if you earn less than €18K. I pay €3 for every visit in Cyprus or €6 to see a specialist.. A bit different to you €700 a month!

That is a EU CITIZEN - which you soon will not be -It is upto €700 a month for NON-EU

But Cyprus has a ‘reciprocal arrangement’ i.e. we treat yours and you will treat ours.

This is an arrangement between the two Governments, it is not (a far as I have been able to determine) an EU directive. I found out because I was claiming refunds on the Cross Border Health Care system and I wrongly believed that as the UK was paying for my treatment, I was entitled to send the bill to the NHS via the Cyprus MoH..

The lady spent about half an hour explaining to me that I was, by arrangement with the UK/NHS treated as if I was a Cypriot. No different and it would be the Cyprus healthcare system that would pay for Cross Border Health Care in exactly as if I were Cypriot. She was very clear that this was not an EU directive it was a reciprocal arrangement. I would consider someone at her level in the Ministry to know what she was talking about. I will not panic like some but wait and see what actually happens.

BTW: Do you realise that the tunnel on the Limassol/Paphos highway is within the Sovereign Base Area? :lol:

Maybe we could start a panic telling everyone they will need a passport and maybe even a visa to go from the Limassol District to Paphos District through the tunnel ? Or maybe the Cypriots could build a border crossing on their sides and we could have a closing of the border ceremony, like the Indians and Pakistanis do, every evening ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC9NeJh1NhI

Really ........... some of these panic stories being thrown around are as stupid as that!
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:16 pm

im very happy to READ any website that says that ...but ....
1.to get healthcare in ROC you need a medical card
2.to get a medical card you need to
MINISTRY OF HEALTH
APPLICATION FOR MEDICAL CARD
VI. OTHER EUROPEAN CITIZENS / EUROPEAN PENSIONERS
[b Any European document] S1 [/b](Ε121, Ε109, Ε106), two copies.

S1 is a EU document
These forms are useful for exercising your rights to benefits as an EU national living and/or working in an EU country other than your own — or having done so in the past.
The forms in this page are valid if you legally live in an EU country, irrespective of your nationality.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/wo ... dex_en.htm

happy to be shown anything that says UK or ROC paperwork ...

to use a bit of logic - how many ROC citizens who have never paid into the UK social socuity system are there in the UK - How many brits who have never paid into the ROC social system are there in cyprus - could the ROC afford to pay for all the brit OAPs themselves ???
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:55 pm

Paul ZKTV:
to use a bit of logic - how many ROC citizens who have never paid into the UK social security system are there in the UK - How many brits who have never paid into the ROC social system are there in cyprus - could the ROC afford to pay for all the brit OAPs themselves ???

I said previously I understood that there was some sort of cash ‘adjustment’! Many retired Brits don’t use the Cyprus Healthcare System either, even though they have that entitlement ..... they can afford private health insurance.

To use the same logic ligic .......... could the Cypriots afford to spit their dummy and NOT provide it under the same terms and conditions ? Look at the broader picture, would they be that stupid?

Think about how much these useless fogies bring into Cyprus as pensioners but get very little if anything, out of Cyprus Social Security system, except for this healthcare. The Cypriot government must get many times more out of us than they ever spend on providing health care. I don’t know how many Brits there are in Cyprus but I doubt many of them get child allowance or any other State benefits as many (majority) are pensioners. But what they spend into the economy must run into several hundreds of millions a year, even if they don’t even earn enough to pay income tax. :wink:
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:13 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Paul ZKTV:
to use a bit of logic - how many ROC citizens who have never paid into the UK social security system are there in the UK - How many brits who have never paid into the ROC social system are there in cyprus - could the ROC afford to pay for all the brit OAPs themselves ???

I said previously I understood that there was some sort of cash ‘adjustment’! Many retired Brits don’t use the Cyprus Healthcare System either, even though they have that entitlement ..... they can afford private health insurance.

To use the same logic ligic .......... could the Cypriots afford to spit their dummy and NOT provide it under the same terms and conditions ? Look at the broader picture, would they be that stupid?

Think about how much these useless fogies bring into Cyprus as pensioners but get very little if anything, out of Cyprus Social Security system, except for this healthcare. The Cypriot government must get many times more out of us than they ever spend on providing health care. I don’t know how many Brits there are in Cyprus but I doubt many of them get child allowance or any other State benefits as many (majority) are pensioners. But what they spend into the economy must run into several hundreds of millions a year, even if they don’t even earn enough to pay income tax. :wink:


yes but thats not the QUESTION ON THE TABLE - which is PEOPLE are saying it is NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EU THAT THEY GET HEALTH CARE
you might want to go to 27 seperate countries and talk about health care but it will take longer then the 730 days you have to do it in .
I JUST WATCHED SKY NEWS - a expert says the EUROPEAN HEALTH CARD will be no good in europe when UK leaves ...
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Re: What now for British citizens living and working in Cypr

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:14 pm

Greenland’s exit warning to Britain
If the last EU divorce is anything to go by, the UK is in for a tough time after a Brexit vote.
http://www.politico.eu/article/greenlan ... s-denmark/
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