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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:29 am

Paul ZKTV wrote:DAVID CAMERON ,who by calling the referendum ,made the worse political mistake since HITLER declared war on the USA,has made a very clever move - yes under ARTICLE 50 . Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements,SO ...in the UK that is the PRIME minister ,after a cabinet meeting - Unless that person has Resigned and is only a ´cartaker´ in that case he cannot declare war ,make treties etc etc without a vote in parliament as he has office but no power ...it wont get to the tory conference because in three month london will look like the set of 28 weeks after everyone has left . but the house of commons is 75& pro EU ....


It is a pity that it doesn't require a decision by parliament. That would be a very interesting debate, at least.
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UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:40 am

Well in the end it end up with a GENERAL ELECTION ,maybe in october , where people will make their minds up if we stay or go
as Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/
as for A50...
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

then you have two years unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
then obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
then a MAJORITY of EU countries have to VOTE ON IT
LONG LONG WAY TO GO ...
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:43 am

If Murdoch says it, it's right. The fact that he's Australian, doesn't live in the UK and is not affected in any way if the UK goes down the tubes has nothing to do with it.
he is an AMERICAN - to buy 20C fox he had to change to being a yank . so they got a US judge to go to his hotel room and make him swear and sign the papers.
it took him 6 days from start to finsih
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:24 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote: If Murdoch says it, it's right. The fact that he's Australian, doesn't live in the UK and is not affected in any way if the UK goes down the tubes has nothing to do with it.
he is an AMERICAN - to buy 20C fox he had to change to being a yank . so they got a US judge to go to his hotel room and make him swear and sign the papers.
it took him 6 days from start to finsih


And I see he had to give up his Australian citizenship because neither country recognises dual citizenship. Interesting. You learn something new every day. Thanks.
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:00 pm

Erm, actually, seems that the UK will NOT be getting out of Europe. :roll:

After all, they're well used to staying uninvited and remaining long after they've been told their presence is not welcome...
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:46 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Erm, actually, seems that the UK will NOT be getting out of Europe. :roll:

A link would've helped...
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Erm, actually, seems that the UK will NOT be getting out of Europe. :roll:

A link would've helped...


There's no one link because it's an amalgamation for an outcome based on the number of politicians, from both camps, who are now saying there's 'no rush', government lawyers who are saying the EU cannot kick out the UK so long as Cameron does not invoke Article 50 or that all of parliament has to agree to invoke Article 50 and that's not going to happen any time soon/ever, lots of noises to generally sit on this and not invoke article 50 and maintain status quo plus lots of support for another referendum. They ain't going to go .... :roll:
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:23 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Erm, actually, seems that the UK will NOT be getting out of Europe. :roll:

A link would've helped...


There's no one link because it's an amalgamation for an outcome based on the number of politicians, from both camps, who are now saying there's 'no rush', government lawyers who are saying the EU cannot kick out the UK so long as Cameron does not invoke Article 50 or that all of parliament has to agree to invoke Article 50 and that's not going to happen any time soon/ever, lots of noises to generally sit on this and not invoke article 50 and maintain status quo plus lots of support for another referendum. They ain't going to go .... :roll:


That's an interesting thought. It's the UK that has to invoke Article 50 and nobody else.
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:39 pm

well SCOTLAND TO BLOCK BREXIT UNLESS IT IS ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN EU after EW LEAVES
is the latest as powers in the EU power would have to be sent back to TO WESTMINSTER/SCOTLAND/WALES and NI
so would require those governments to agree .
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... dum-brexit

Greenland
Greenland chose to leave the EU predecessor without also seceding from a member state. It initially voted against joining the EEC when Denmark joined in 1973, but because Denmark as a whole voted to join, Greenland, as a part of Denmark, joined too. When home rule for Greenland began in 1979, it held a new referendum and voted to leave the EEC. After wrangling over fishing rights, the territory left the EEC in 1985,[7] but remains subject to the EU treaties through association of Overseas Countries and Territories with the EU. This was permitted by the Greenland Treaty, a special treaty signed in 1984 to allow its withdrawal
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 06A0729(01)
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:54 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:well SCOTLAND TO BLOCK BREXIT UNLESS IT IS ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN EU after EW LEAVES
is the latest as powers in the EU power would have to be sent back to TO WESTMINSTER/SCOTLAND/WALES and NI
so would require those governments to agree .
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... dum-brexit

Greenland
Greenland chose to leave the EU predecessor without also seceding from a member state. It initially voted against joining the EEC when Denmark joined in 1973, but because Denmark as a whole voted to join, Greenland, as a part of Denmark, joined too. When home rule for Greenland began in 1979, it held a new referendum and voted to leave the EEC. After wrangling over fishing rights, the territory left the EEC in 1985,[7] but remains subject to the EU treaties through association of Overseas Countries and Territories with the EU. This was permitted by the Greenland Treaty, a special treaty signed in 1984 to allow its withdrawal
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 06A0729(01)


Some constitutional experts are saying that Scotland will not be able to do this, though.
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