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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:12 pm

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Paul ZKTV wrote:DAVID CAMERON ,who by calling the referendum ,made the worse political mistake since HITLER declared war on the USA,has made a very clever move - yes under ARTICLE 50 . Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements,SO ...in the UK that is the PRIME minister ,after a cabinet meeting - Unless that person has Resigned and is only a ´cartaker´ in that case he cannot declare war ,make treties etc etc without a vote in parliament as he has office but no power ...it wont get to the tory conference because in three month london will look like the set of 28 weeks after everyone has left . but the house of commons is 75& pro EU ....


It is a pity that it doesn't require a decision by parliament. That would be a very interesting debate, at least.


It seems it does:

Any prime minister will need parliamentary approval to trigger article 50 of the Lisbon treaty and initiate the UK’s exit from the European Union, according to a report by constitutional lawyers.

In a legal opinion published on Monday, Nick Barber, a fellow at Trinity College, Oxford, Tom Hickman, a barrister at Blackstone Chambers and reader at University Collegge, London, and Jeff King, a senior law lecturer at UCL, declare that: “In our constitution, parliament gets to make this decision, not the prime minister.” They add:

The prime minister is unable to issue a declaration under article 50 of the Lisbon treaty – triggering our withdrawal from the European Union – without having been first authorised to do so by an Act of the United Kingdom Parliament. Were he to attempt to do so before such a statute was passed, the declaration would be legally ineffective as a matter of domestic law and it would also fail to comply with the requirements of article 50 itself.


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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:50 pm

REMAIN LABOUR 225 +SNP 56 + PC 3 + SDLP 3 + GRN 1 = 288
LEAVE LABOUR 10 + DUP 8 + UKIP 1 = 19
288 - 19 = 269
CON mp 330 -269 = 61 torys vote against BREXIT
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:14 pm

julie crockford wrote:hey, born in cyprus 1957. i have 2 birth certificates; one the original cypriot one and the other british. parents in the forces, both english.
living in france, can i become cypriot now to remain in the eu?? help

if there were BRITISH subjects in cyprus with the armed forces of the crown ,then NO
your better off ´moving´to scotland ..
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:26 pm

BRITISH DEBT COST NOW 500,000,000 A WEEK MORE - TWICE OUR EU PAYMENT !!!

s+p In the nationwide referendum on the U.K.’s membership of the European Union (EU), the majority of the electorate voted to leave the EU. In our opinion, this outcome is a seminal event, and will lead to a less predictable, stable, and effective policy framework in the U.K. We have reassessed our view of the U.K.’s institutional assessment and now no longer consider it a strength in our assessment of the rating
The downgrade also reflects the risks of a marked deterioration of external financing conditions in light of the U.K.’s extremely elevated level of gross external financing requirements
The vote for “remain” in Scotland and Northern Ireland also creates wider constitutional issues for the country as a whole.
Consequently, we are lowering our long-term sovereign credit ratings on the U.K. by two notches to ‘AA’ from ‘AAA’.
The negative outlook reflects the risk to economic prospects, fiscal and external performance, and the role of sterling as a reserve currency, as well as risks to the constitutional and economic integrity of the U.K. if there is another referendum on Scottish independence
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:43 am

...the referendum is advisory, and non-binding. Only Parliament can invoke Article 50.

The Prime Minister cannot speak for the voters in this case, Parliament, being the peoples' representative will speak for itself.

This will take time and in the meantime a great deal of new thinking will be going on. And Parliamentary elections; to lead, Mr. Boris, Mr. Gove, and Mr. Farage, for example, need to win, (their own seats) for one thing.

Reluctantly optimistic i am hoping that something good will come out of the change; whatever it may be.

...you can fool some of the people all the time, you can fool all the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time: Democracy works, no need for despair.
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:38 am

julie crockford wrote:hey, born in cyprus 1957. i have 2 birth certificates; one the original cypriot one and the other british. parents in the forces, both english.
living in france, can i become cypriot now to remain in the eu?? help


Don't panic, for one thing. Until Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is invoked, you remain a citizen of an EU country with all the same rights. Even when/if they invoke this article, it will take a couple of years to sort everything out. They may even come up with a deal whereby those EU nationals already living in the UK get to stay as do all British nationals living in other EU countries. It's a good idea to start looking into contingency plans, though, if you're hoping to stay in France permanently (or long term). One option to look into is acquiring French nationality through naturalisation. You will have to find out what the preconditions are. I'm starting to look into this option in Cyprus.
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Jerry » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:31 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...the referendum is advisory, and non-binding. Only Parliament can invoke Article 50.

The Prime Minister cannot speak for the voters in this case, Parliament, being the peoples' representative will speak for itself.

This will take time and in the meantime a great deal of new thinking will be going on. And Parliamentary elections; to lead, Mr. Boris, Mr. Gove, and Mr. Farage, for example, need to win, (their own seats) for one thing.

Reluctantly optimistic i am hoping that something good will come out of the change; whatever it may be.

...you can fool some of the people all the time, you can fool all the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time: Democracy works, no need for despair.


UK Parliament would be justified in denying Brexit since it was the racists and Farage's lies that tipped the balance.
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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:06 pm

Everyone has this feeling of hopelessness. It is present in Turkey, as well. Frankly, I was almost more hopeful when I was in jail. I was in Brussels last week; this week I'm in Berlin. There is an immense wave of hopelessness and fear. And, of course, this exists in Turkey and these fears feed each other. But there is no point to joining this caravan of fear. We need to think about how we can get out of this tunnel of fear. My recommendation is that those who are not afraid get together to create a new future. Not just for Turkey - but for Europe, as well. We are seeing the collapse of the European ideal. Europe is becoming withdrawn. ... Is the world we want a world of Putin, Erdogan and Le Pen? If not, do we have dreams of another world? At the moment it seems quite romantic, but if we abandon these dreams we will lose all hope. For this reason, something new needs to be created and I think now is right the time.

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Re: UK ITS GETTING OUT OF EUROPE WHAT NOW???

Postby Paul ZKTV » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:53 pm

thank ?? you boris

Channel 4 News live in WestminsterA pro-EU protest has assembled in the heart of Westminster. Watch live.

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