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Postby Paul ZKTV » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:31 pm

Remain supporters eye move to Spain after Brexit vote
Published: 06 Jul 2016 12:09 GMT+02:00
Updated: 06 Jul 2016 12:09 GMT+02:00

The number of British citizens looking to move abroad has increased by 30 percent since Britain voted to leave the EU, with Spain one of the top destinations.

Many Britons unhappy with the result of the recent vote to leave the European Union are considering a move abroad; a recent study by the London School of Economics concluded that as many as ten percent of 18- to 25-year-olds who voted to ‘Remain’ are now considering leaving the country.

And far from being put off moving to Europe, where they are now unsure of their rights, many Brits are seriously thinking about making the move.

Spanish real estate agency Lucas Fox International Properties told The Local that it had registered an upswing in enquiries from UK-based clients interested in moving to Spain following the UK’s decision to leave the EU.

Brits are especially interested in moving to Spain's three biggest cities: Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia, where there are more job opportunities, the realtor said.

Sebastian King, a 22-year-old living in the South of England working in financial services, contacted the real estate company just a few days after the result, claiming he felt ‘disconnected’ with the UK following the decision to leave the EU.

“I have been looking to move to Valencia for a year or so now but the Brexit result made me want to get a move on,” King says. “For me Valencia has it all - the climate, it’s exciting, full of history and culture as well as having a beach.

"Overall, I think Spain has lots of potential and for my business it is an ideal place to expand, thanks to a cheaper workforce. When I compare the UK to Spain, I see Brits simply surviving whilst the Spanish are really living”

It might not just be Brits eyeing a move to Spain; with their future in the UK currently up in the air and a rise in xenophobic attacks following the referendum, it might not be long before Spanish expats in the UK decide it might be time to return to Spain.
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby CBBB » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:01 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:Remain supporters eye move to Spain after Brexit vote
Published: 06 Jul 2016 12:09 GMT+02:00
Updated: 06 Jul 2016 12:09 GMT+02:00

The number of British citizens looking to move abroad has increased by 30 percent since Britain voted to leave the EU, with Spain one of the top destinations.

Many Britons unhappy with the result of the recent vote to leave the European Union are considering a move abroad; a recent study by the London School of Economics concluded that as many as ten percent of 18- to 25-year-olds who voted to ‘Remain’ are now considering leaving the country.

And far from being put off moving to Europe, where they are now unsure of their rights, many Brits are seriously thinking about making the move.

Spanish real estate agency Lucas Fox International Properties told The Local that it had registered an upswing in enquiries from UK-based clients interested in moving to Spain following the UK’s decision to leave the EU.

Brits are especially interested in moving to Spain's three biggest cities: Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia, where there are more job opportunities, the realtor said.

Sebastian King, a 22-year-old living in the South of England working in financial services, contacted the real estate company just a few days after the result, claiming he felt ‘disconnected’ with the UK following the decision to leave the EU.

“I have been looking to move to Valencia for a year or so now but the Brexit result made me want to get a move on,” King says. “For me Valencia has it all - the climate, it’s exciting, full of history and culture as well as having a beach.

"Overall, I think Spain has lots of potential and for my business it is an ideal place to expand, thanks to a cheaper workforce. When I compare the UK to Spain, I see Brits simply surviving whilst the Spanish are really living”

It might not just be Brits eyeing a move to Spain; with their future in the UK currently up in the air and a rise in xenophobic attacks following the referendum, it might not be long before Spanish expats in the UK decide it might be time to return to Spain.


One problem with moving to Spain now is that house prices there have increased rather a lot because of the rise of the Euro against Sterling.
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:22 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


Perhaps the EU countries should offer any Brits under the age of 40 and their families a citizenship of any EU country in exchange for the Brits giving up their British citizenship. :idea:

Lets see who is going to remain in the UK to pay taxes to support the pensioners who had voted to leave the EU. :lol:
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Paul ZKTV » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:30 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


Perhaps the EU countries should offer any Brits under the age of 40 and their families a citizenship of any EU country in exchange for the Brits giving up their British citizenship. :idea:

Lets see who is going to remain in the UK to pay taxes to support the pensioners who had voted to leave the EU. :lol:


its worse then that . why would a country wat 1.1million old non tax paying people when they can have fit tax paying young people
you can get a brand new flat in spain for €40,000 AND THERE ARE MILLION EMPTY ONES - whats it take for a internet company to start up in SPAIN with a rented office
and offer the same service as back in the UK at a fraction of the overheads ..
one a group of uk grads get to start buying them and the word gets round why would you want to stay
in the UK ??

CBBB wrote: One problem with moving to Spain now is that house prices there have increased rather a lot because of the rise of the Euro against Sterling.

tourists live by the sea - when you drive 10,20,30km inland the prices half,and half ....
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:35 am

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


Perhaps the EU countries should offer any Brits under the age of 40 and their families a citizenship of any EU country in exchange for the Brits giving up their British citizenship. :idea:

Lets see who is going to remain in the UK to pay taxes to support the pensioners who had voted to leave the EU. :lol:


The leader of Germany's opposition Social Democrats suggested - noting that young people in the UK voted overwhelmingly to remain - that Germany should give citizenship to any young British people who wanted it. This was probably a tongue in cheek comment, but a nice gesture anyhow.
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:42 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


It is clear to me that, if the UK ever gets round to invoking Article 50 - a big 'if' in my eyes - whatever deal is brokered on this issue will have to be reciprocal. For example, if all EU nationals currently resident in the UK get to stay, then so will British nationals currently resident in other EU countries. If one lot have to leave, so will the other. The arithmetic works out well, too, given that there are about the same number of British nationals living in other EU countries as EU nationals living in the UK. Actually, when you take that fact into consideration, it is hard to understand what the fuss is about.
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:21 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


Perhaps the EU countries should offer any Brits under the age of 40 and their families a citizenship of any EU country in exchange for the Brits giving up their British citizenship. :idea:

Lets see who is going to remain in the UK to pay taxes to support the pensioners who had voted to leave the EU. :lol:


The leader of Germany's opposition Social Democrats suggested - noting that young people in the UK voted overwhelmingly to remain - that Germany should give citizenship to any young British people who wanted it. This was probably a tongue in cheek comment, but a nice gesture anyhow.


Maybe Tim, then again, maybe not.

Just think, that the EU can get 1-2 million young people to enter the EU a year, an educated workforce rather than searching for young people from outside the EU, refugees and migrants. When the UK falls short of young workers, then let them import refugees and migrants from outside the EU. This should please the leave camp......not!
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:33 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


It is clear to me that, if the UK ever gets round to invoking Article 50 - a big 'if' in my eyes - whatever deal is brokered on this issue will have to be reciprocal. For example, if all EU nationals currently resident in the UK get to stay, then so will British nationals currently resident in other EU countries. If one lot have to leave, so will the other. The arithmetic works out well, too, given that there are about the same number of British nationals living in other EU countries as EU nationals living in the UK. Actually, when you take that fact into consideration, it is hard to understand what the fuss is about.


I don't even think it's a matter of to to be reciprocal. All these EU national living in the EU countries who had arrived from other EU countries ALL came legally and have settled legally, so how can they then be told now that they can't stay, now that they have made their lives in these countries. I think they cannot turn the clock back on these people and that they should ALL be "grandfathered in" automatically. Surely they ALL have their Human Rights protected and can't be forcefully removed. Isn't what the UN, EU says about those illegally occupying GC properties in the north? Why can't the same be with those legally residing in ALL EU countries?
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Paul ZKTV » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:43 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


It is clear to me that, if the UK ever gets round to invoking Article 50 - a big 'if' in my eyes - whatever deal is brokered on this issue will have to be reciprocal. For example, if all EU nationals currently resident in the UK get to stay, then so will British nationals currently resident in other EU countries. If one lot have to leave, so will the other. The arithmetic works out well, too, given that there are about the same number of British nationals living in other EU countries as EU nationals living in the UK. Actually, when you take that fact into consideration, it is hard to understand what the fuss is about.


i think you are missing a important point - it is not up to the EU if the brits stay ,its up to 31 countries - spain charges non-eu (china africa,south americans) €700 for public health care for the over 75s
and €350 for those under 65 . it would mean 31 contracts for halth care alone to be done within 700 days ..

on the other hand it has 1,000,000 empty flats from €40,000
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Paul ZKTV » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:45 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:I don't think any EU country would have a problem continuing to provide current British residents the rights they now have.
It's the UK itself that will have a problem doing the same for those originating from Eastern EU countries, now residing in the UK .
So what kind of deal is the UK upto? One that would protect her own people and fck the rest???


Perhaps the EU countries should offer any Brits under the age of 40 and their families a citizenship of any EU country in exchange for the Brits giving up their British citizenship. :idea:

Lets see who is going to remain in the UK to pay taxes to support the pensioners who had voted to leave the EU. :lol:


The leader of Germany's opposition Social Democrats suggested - noting that young people in the UK voted overwhelmingly to remain - that Germany should give citizenship to any young British people who wanted it. This was probably a tongue in cheek comment, but a nice gesture anyhow.


yes the french are saying that ´working age familes ´ who pay taxes and have been there for 5 years can stay - notice nothing about non-tax paying OAPS..
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