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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Paul ZKTV » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:33 am

To be honest this is just more rubbish - you cant stop 100,000 coming in for the next two years ...
all the hard working poles will sell up and go home and all the scum will come over with nothing to lose
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:06 pm

Robin Hood wrote:This is the biggest problem with the EU and why so many voted to get out before it happens.

This guy, like him or not, has far more charisma and personality than any other UK political leader. He responds to questions off the cuff, doesn’t preach but explains. We could do a lot worse when you look at what others are available to lead the UK. He answers questions from a YOUNG Dutchman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoW2I6jrwXk


It seems he doesn't have the answers when it doesn't suit him:

However, he did qualify that: “It goes without saying that the PVV [Freedom Party] and its thousands of supporters have nothing to do with extremism or anti-Semitism. The PVV has nothing to do with that sort of idiocy.”

The following day, however, the four MPs – including Martin Bosma, one of Mr Wilders’s closest associates – sat together in parliament wearing badges featuring the Prinsen flag, which is virtually identical to the Dutch flag except that its red horizontal bar is replaced with an orange one.

The Prinsen flag was first carried by followers of William of Orange in the 80 Years War against Spain in the 16th century, and is still used by extreme right-wing groups such as Stormfront. It was adopted by the national socialists during the 1930s because of its links with “a golden age” for the Netherlands. Because of those Nazi associations, it was replaced with the current flag in 1937 on the instructions of Queen Wilhelmina, who fled to London during the war.

Mr Wilders has refused to comment, as in 2011 when the Prinsen flag was photographed in his party’s offices.


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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:50 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Well, if it's going to be reciprocal, then why the vote for Brexit? One of their presumably "biggest problems" will not be solved. It will just freeze at current numbers...they will continue having as many Eastern europeans as they have now. That number wasn't affordable 2 weeks ago...


Why was that number 'not affordable'? Even a leading member of UKIP in an area with very high immigration from Eastern Europe was quoted as follows:

Jay Beecher, the deputy leader of the anti-EU UK Independence Party branch in Peterborough, said most Eastern European migrants work hard, often taking minimum-wage jobs at farms and factories that English people don't want.


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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:20 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:To be honest this is just more rubbish - you cant stop 100,000 coming in for the next two years ...
all the hard working poles will sell up and go home and all the scum will come over with nothing to lose
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That would only happen if ruthless employers decide to replace cheap Polish labour, with even cheaper Syrian/Palestinian/North African labour, which I would suggest someone with your mentality would support whole heartedly. Profits first ..... people second!
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Paul ZKTV » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:53 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Paul ZKTV wrote:To be honest this is just more rubbish - you cant stop 100,000 coming in for the next two years ...
all the hard working poles will sell up and go home and all the scum will come over with nothing to lose
GENERAL ELECTION 10/10


That would only happen if ruthless employers decide to replace cheap Polish labour, with even cheaper Syrian/Palestinian/North African labour, which I would suggest someone with your mentality would support whole heartedly. Profits first ..... people second!


there is a min wage in the UK so why say its cheap polish labour - there are hard working people coz a lot of brits are down the pub on their dole money
and i was talking about EU scum coming in - i dont think anyone who brings up gas chambers can say anything except hag his head
I still waiting for ANY PAPERWORK about you staying in cyprus and the ROC paying for you .

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He has also revealed plans for an alliance of right-wing parties – including the National Front in France, Alternative for Germany, and the Northern League in Italy – to fight European Parliament elections next May, a strategy supported recently by National Front leader Marine Le Pen.
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:38 am

Paul ZKTV wrote:
Qualified majority voting applies in the Council. Under this procedure, when the Council votes on a proposal by the Commission , a qualified majority is reached if two conditions are met:

55% of member states vote in favour - in practice this means 16 out of 28
the proposal is supported by member states representing at least 65% of the total EU population
This new procedure is also known as the 'double majority' rule.

Blocking minority
The blocking minority must include at least four Council members representing more than 35% of the EU population.


Speaking yesterday while still Foreign Secretary in Cameron's cabinet, Philip Hammond said that negotiations to exit the EU could take six years (and that's once Article 50 is invoked) if all 27 member countries get a veto. Since Article 50 has never been invoked before, I don't think anybody has a clear idea yet what the process will involve.

http://www.oye.news/news/world-news/no-brexit-6-years/

Philip Hammond, the Foreign Secretary, has warned that it could take four years for the European Union to agree the terms of Britain’s exit from the European Union.

Asked by Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, whether it would take longer to negotiate Brexit than World War II, he said: “If a future treaty between the UK and the EU 27 is deemed to be a mixed competence it will have to be ratified by 27 national Parliaments.

“The shortest time that has been done in any European Union treaty is just under four years. That’s after taking into account all the time it would take to negotiate.”
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Lordo » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:09 pm

the proces for 2 years is not going to involve negotiations other than how to exit. once that is achieved then the negotiations can begin on what relationship the uk can have with the eu.

the eu have already said this is not done pick your flavour of icecream style. either you agree on the full rights of all eu citizens including freedom to migrate and have free access or not. if not there will be no agreement at all and we shall revert to who rules of trade.

switzerland has recently passed law that is going to restrict eu citizens rights to settle and have been warned that if they implement such a law, all the trade agreements they have had will be cancelled.

judging by the fact that any agreement that is agreed has to be ratified by all the remaining members, i would say the moment a single eu state that has her population in any way restricted in the trade agreement will veto it.

things could not be clearer and this was made clear before brexit but people were dumb enough to believe boris and his gang with all their lies.
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Paul ZKTV » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:50 pm

yes and on that day WTO rules apply ... from 10% to 65% ...good luck with that .the price of cheese in the UK would rise 36% overnight ???

yes on 9 February 2014
Yes 50.33% No 49.67%

According to the European Commission about 1 million EU citizens live in Switzerland and another 230,000 cross the border daily for work, while 430,000 Swiss live in the EU

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO DATE ..
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:49 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:yes and on that day WTO rules apply ... from 10% to 65% ...good luck with that .the price of cheese in the UK would rise 36% overnight ???

yes on 9 February 2014
Yes 50.33% No 49.67%

According to the European Commission about 1 million EU citizens live in Switzerland and another 230,000 cross the border daily for work, while 430,000 Swiss live in the EU

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO DATE ..


For one thing, Switzerland needs all it's foreign workers due to low unemployment in the country.

Besides, living in Switzerland is much better than the countries of the foreigners, e.g, Cyprus, UK and USA. :wink:

I was of course speaking about myself! :D
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Re: UK Government refuses to guarantee EU citizens

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:50 am

depends where you live in the uk innit. in shirley life is good

anyone for halal bacon & egg butty. you can have a cup of hala tea on ouse.
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