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ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:02 am

A possible second Scottish independence referendum should not be blocked by the UK government, Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson has said.


Scottish citizenship
After the English-led vote to leave the EU, the SNP has raised the prospect of a second referendum on independence. But who would be eligible for citizenship? The Scottish government has already outlined the hypothetical requirements.

Unsurprisingly, any British citizens born in Scotland will be automatic citizens of Scotland, regardless of whether they are currently living there. Any children born after independence to a parent who is a citizen of Scotland will also be a citizen.
In addition, British citizens "habitually resident" in Scotland at the time of independence will also be automatically considered. There is no fixed time that determines this – "habitually resident" is defined as "where the person has habitually and normally resided for a settled purpose apart from temporary or occasional absences".
But what about those not born or resident in Scotland? After independence, the following categories will be eligible to apply for citizenship:

British nationals living outside Scotland who register with evidence of at least one parent who qualifies for Scottish citizenship.
Citizens of any country, who register with evidence of a parent or grandparent who qualifies for Scottish citizenship.
Migrants who are in Scotland legally, as well as anyone who has spent at least ten years living in Scotland at any time and has an ongoing connection with Scotland can apply for naturalisation as a Scottish citizen. You will need to meet requirements set out under Scottish immigration law, such as good character and residency.
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Londonrake » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:57 pm

IMHO, it won't happen. Leaving aside of course the fact that the last referendum was a "once in a lifetime" vote, according to Salmon and Sturgeon (fishy! :D )

AFAIK there was precious little talk about being a member of the EU in the last referendum.

Europe has made it clear that they are not going to do a deal independently with the Scots. Scotland will leave the EU along with the rest of the UK.

So, Scotland will have to act like any other would-be member. That will mean not only a 5 - 10 year process but adoption of the € and moreover having Brussels taking a serious look at the books and most probably deciding that a little "austerity" is in order. They are not going to accept the current levels of public spending there. Scotland's public sector is financially eye-watering.

All of this not to mention of course that oil is in the doldrums. 150,000 jobs gone so far (my Son's one of them) and not likely to recover for the foreseeable future.

And the canny Scots are going to vote for this? Just to service Nicola and her party's one party state national ego.

Don't think so.
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:17 pm

Londonrake wrote:IMHO, it won't happen.


I think you're out of touch.The main reason Scots voted to remain in the UK during the independence referendum was from the threat that they would face expulsion from the EU if they voted to leave the UK.

The overriding ideology was to remain in the EU ........ not to remain in the UK!

Now they have been dealt the opposite of what they wanted, i.e. possible Brexit, then I believe they feel that staying "in the EU without the UK" is more palatable than staying "in the UK without the EU".

It's a no-brainer. Given a referendum now, with 65% having expressed *remain* in the EU, then they would vote to leave the isolationist UK, maybe 60% voting to leave UK.
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Londonrake » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:54 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Londonrake wrote:IMHO, it won't happen.


I think you're out of touch.The main reason Scots voted to remain in the UK during the independence referendum was from the threat that they would face expulsion from the EU if they voted to leave the UK.

The overriding ideology was to remain in the EU ........ not to remain in the UK!

Now they have been dealt the opposite of what they wanted, i.e. possible Brexit, then I believe they feel that staying "in the EU without the UK" is more palatable than staying "in the UK without the EU".

It's a no-brainer. Given a referendum now, with 65% having expressed *remain* in the EU, then they would vote to leave the isolationist UK, maybe 60% voting to leave UK.


No, I'm sorry GIG (are you married? :D ). My Son and his family live in Aberdeen. I had my home up there for 20 years. My Daughter-in-Law is rabid SNP. So, for several reasons I followed the campaigning closely. The EU membership was absolutely not a front-line issue then. Sturgeon is using it as an excuse. It will all end in tears for her. Personally I am in the CGAF part of the issue. Let's see?
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:26 am

My thread was not that scotland should or should not leave EUROPA ,but that even the scottish cons . want a VOTE now ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XBS16sW1-o
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Paul ZKTV » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:30 am

Londonrake wrote:IMHO, it won't happen. Leaving aside of course the fact that the last referendum was a "once in a lifetime" vote, according to Salmon and Sturgeon (fishy! :D )

AFAIK there was precious little talk about being a member of the EU in the last referendum.

Europe has made it clear that they are not going to do a deal independently with the Scots. Scotland will leave the EU along with the rest of the UK.

So, Scotland will have to act like any other would-be member. That will mean not only a 5 - 10 year process but adoption of the € and moreover having Brussels taking a serious look at the books and most probably deciding that a little "austerity" is in order. They are not going to accept the current levels of public spending there. Scotland's public sector is financially eye-watering.

All of this not to mention of course that oil is in the doldrums. 150,000 jobs gone so far (my Son's one of them) and not likely to recover for the foreseeable future.

And the canny Scots are going to vote for this? Just to service Nicola and her party's one party state national ego.

Don't think so.


Not if SCOTLAND joins NI and IRISH REBPUBLIC in a CELTIC FEDERATION - there is nothing in the EU rules that says a country cant add to itself ..
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Londonrake » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:28 am

Paul ZKTV wrote:My thread was not that scotland should or should not leave EUROPA ,but that even the scottish cons . want a VOTE now ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XBS16sW1-o


Yeah............ but we hijacked it! :lol:

Sorry. :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Londonrake » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:32 am

Paul ZKTV wrote:Not if SCOTLAND joins NI and IRISH REBPUBLIC in a CELTIC FEDERATION - there is nothing in the EU rules that says a country cant add to itself ..


Sturgeon's already hawked it around Brussels. Those that actually matter have told her it isn't going to happen. They all leave - or stay - with the U.K.
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Londonrake » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:46 am

Londonrake wrote:
Paul ZKTV wrote:Not if SCOTLAND joins NI and IRISH REBPUBLIC in a CELTIC FEDERATION - there is nothing in the EU rules that says a country cant add to itself ..


Sturgeon's already hawked it around Brussels. Those that actually matter have told her it isn't going to happen. They all leave - or stay - with the U.K.


Sorry. Addendum.

The idea would be vetoed. Certainly by the Spanish and quite possibly others.

If it's good enough for the Scots then it has implications for the likes of the Basques/Catalonia. If you're part of a country but want independence then it has to be shown to be a looooooonnnnng and hard struggle to get back into the EU. :shock:
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Re: ALL SCOTTISH PARTIES SAY YES TO VOTE

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:18 am

Londonrake wrote:
Paul ZKTV wrote:Not if SCOTLAND joins NI and IRISH REBPUBLIC in a CELTIC FEDERATION - there is nothing in the EU rules that says a country cant add to itself ..


Sturgeon's already hawked it around Brussels. Those that actually matter have told her it isn't going to happen. They all leave - or stay - with the U.K.


This was a necessary political maneouvre prior to pushing for the next independence referendum. Of course she knew that part of a country cannot be an EU member.
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