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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:31 am

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... l-war.html

...it is horrible to imagine that such tragedy is ignored by the press; no food no medicine for weeks, in the heart of Caracas.

Fear rules, there. Now the world's most violent city.
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:34 am

repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/will-venezuela-s-impotent-supreme-court-lead-to-civil-war.html

...it is horrible to imagine that such tragedy is ignored by the press; no food no medicine for weeks, in the heart of Caracas.

Fear rules, there. Now the world's most violent city.


Chavez must be turning in his grave. Just shows what happens when the US decides you have to go ....... the country didn't stand a chance ...... they have to much oil to be left outside the US Empire. Chavez had the backing of most of the ordinary Venezualan's and he greatly improved the life of the poor people ...... he just had to go and there was always a suspicion that his cancer was no accident. Very, very sad but as you say, a situation almost ignored in the western MSM , they are too busy spreading stories about 'Russian/Chinese aggression! :x
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby CBBB » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:36 am

Robin Hood wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/will-venezuela-s-impotent-supreme-court-lead-to-civil-war.html

...it is horrible to imagine that such tragedy is ignored by the press; no food no medicine for weeks, in the heart of Caracas.

Fear rules, there. Now the world's most violent city.


Chavez must be turning in his grave. Just shows what happens when the US decides you have to go ....... the country didn't stand a chance ...... they have to much oil to be left outside the US Empire. Chavez had the backing of most of the ordinary Venezualan's and he greatly improved the life of the poor people ...... he just had to go and there was always a suspicion that his cancer was no accident. Very, very sad but as you say, a situation almost ignored in the western MSM , they are too busy spreading stories about 'Russian/Chinese aggression! :x


Your response is so predictable!

Which respected news outlet is carrying the story of the US giving Chavez cancer, conspiraciesRus.com?
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:59 am

CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/will-venezuela-s-impotent-supreme-court-lead-to-civil-war.html

...it is horrible to imagine that such tragedy is ignored by the press; no food no medicine for weeks, in the heart of Caracas.

Fear rules, there. Now the world's most violent city.


Chavez must be turning in his grave. Just shows what happens when the US decides you have to go ....... the country didn't stand a chance ...... they have to much oil to be left outside the US Empire. Chavez had the backing of most of the ordinary Venezualan's and he greatly improved the life of the poor people ...... he just had to go and there was always a suspicion that his cancer was no accident. Very, very sad but as you say, a situation almost ignored in the western MSM , they are too busy spreading stories about 'Russian/Chinese aggression! :x


Your response is so predictable!

Which respected news outlet is carrying the story of the US giving Chavez cancer, conspiraciesRus.com?


'........there was always a suspicion that his cancer was no accident.' Various and multiple sources carried that hypothesis. Note the use of the word 'suspicion' ............ hardly a definitive term?

It was never proved but it was a credible scenario ......... if Putin could (according to 'sources') achieve it with Polonium in London ........... I would say Obama could achieve it far more easily in Caracas ..... but that is just my opinion. :roll:
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby CBBB » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:46 am

Robin Hood wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/will-venezuela-s-impotent-supreme-court-lead-to-civil-war.html

...it is horrible to imagine that such tragedy is ignored by the press; no food no medicine for weeks, in the heart of Caracas.

Fear rules, there. Now the world's most violent city.


Chavez must be turning in his grave. Just shows what happens when the US decides you have to go ....... the country didn't stand a chance ...... they have to much oil to be left outside the US Empire. Chavez had the backing of most of the ordinary Venezualan's and he greatly improved the life of the poor people ...... he just had to go and there was always a suspicion that his cancer was no accident. Very, very sad but as you say, a situation almost ignored in the western MSM , they are too busy spreading stories about 'Russian/Chinese aggression! :x


Your response is so predictable!

Which respected news outlet is carrying the story of the US giving Chavez cancer, conspiraciesRus.com?


'........there was always a suspicion that his cancer was no accident.' Various and multiple sources carried that hypothesis. Note the use of the word 'suspicion' ............ hardly a definitive term?

It was never proved but it was a credible scenario ......... if Putin could (according to 'sources') achieve it with Polonium in London ........... I would say Obama could achieve it far more easily in Caracas ..... but that is just my opinion. :roll:


Exactly!
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby Zenon33 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:47 pm

The paradise of Tsipras.....
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby kurupetos » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:51 pm

That's the opportunity the Americ*nts needed to get rid of the elected government and establish a fascist pro-US one. :evil:
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby Zenon33 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:01 pm

Communism rules :


Venezuelans storming supermarkets. attacking trucks as food supplies dwindle

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html
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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:10 pm

The Dutch desease::

In economics, the Dutch disease is the apparent causal relationship between the increase in the economic development of a specific sector (for example natural resources) and a decline in other sectors (like the manufacturing sector or agriculture).:

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Re: Venezuela, a sad state of affairs

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:10 pm

There is an article here discussing the Crises which shows (a) that this Crises is not new news, and (b) suggests that the problems lie with the Collapse in the price of oil and excess government spending funded by international borrowing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/world/americas/venezuela-crisis-what-next.html?_r=0

see also

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/news/economy/venezuela-economy-meltdown/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/venezuela-shortages-explained_n_7298426.html

And try this one for size
http://reason.com/archives/2016/07/09/disaster-dj-vu-in-venezuela

Corporate media outlets throughout the world have worked diligently to portray Venezuela as a country in the midst of an economic crisis," explains teleSUR, a news network sponsored by left-wing Latin American governments, including the one in Caracas. "These outlets point to the shortages of basic goods in stores and the lines that sometimes occur for some products as evidence of this so-called crisis. Yet, these shortages appear to be part of a concerted action by members of the opposition to remove the democratically-elected government from power."

The television station goes on to announce that Maduro has helpfully explained that there is "a plot by opposition figures to take advantage of the lines to sow chaos and violence in the country." Maduro has a recording, the report claims, in which a retired general, Jose de Jesus Gamez Bustamente, reveals a plan to "bring supporters to the lines outside supermarkets and have them break windows in order to provoke looting by those waiting to enter.…This would result in repression by the Venezuelan National Guard against working-class people, the political base of the Bolivarian revolution." In keeping with standard operating procedure, no actual evidence of any sort is presented to back these kinds of grave accusations, but the impact for those on the receiving end can be deadly serious.

This is straight out of the playbook of the failed socialist states of the 20th century, the kind of thing George Orwell made a career of denouncing.

The claims are utter gobbledygook. In effect, the government doesn't have an economic theory—it has a conspiracy theory. An enormous one. The explanation for shortages and inflation amounts to alleging there's a cartel not in one product market but in every product market, an enormous, sprawling perfect scheme where tens of thousands of businesspeople coordinate seamlessly, every single one of them passing up the enormous windfall profits that would accrue to him from defection.

The point is that la guerra económica isn't really an economic argument at all: It's a spiritual one, part of a broader eschatology of socialist struggle and redemption where all the bad things that happen must, by definition, be the fault of evil conspirators, run out of Langley, bent on the oppression of the proletariat.

That price controls would cause shortages is one of the least surprising results in economics. The reason why is right there in the opening chapters of every undergraduate introduction to economics textbook anywhere in the world. Respected Venezuelan economists like Pedro Palma, the former president of Venezuela's National Academy of Economic Sciences, and Carlos Machado Allison, the country's most noted agricultural economist, sounded the alert again and again.

But chavismo long ago perfected that enormously infuriating rhetorical strategy of repurposing evidence of its own failure into a defense of its worldview. The warnings weren't just ignored; they were jujitsued by official propaganda into proof of just how sprawling the conspiracy against the government really is. And what does the government need to counter this kind of conspiracy? Why, more powers, of course! Powers Maduro has recently awarded himself, unilaterally, through an "economic emergency" decree that suspends key constitutional rights.

It's a perfect circle.

Armed and Delusional
Most Venezuelans don't buy the blather about "economic war." A recent poll by Datanalisis, a well-respected local pollster, found that 68 percent reject the argument. As the joke recently in vogue in Caracas puts it, Nicolás Maduro is so incompetent, he can't even win the wars he makes up.

The problem is that stubborn third of the population that still buys into chavismo's cult-like narrative. It's not just that Maduro defenders are recalcitrant and almost completely beyond the reach of reasoned argument—it's that they're armed. Heavily armed. Chávez himself made sure of that.
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