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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:09 am

For an alternative view:

Military coup was well planned and very nearly succeeded, say Turkish officials

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... -officials

There is already a plausible explanation coming out as to why the coupist fighters tracking Erdogan's plane did not shoot it down in that the loyalist fighter pilots accompanying it allegedly convinced them in radio communications that it was a domestic passenger flight.

I have absolutely no doubt that a coup orchestrated from the very top would have been able to overthrow Erdogan's regime without any trouble at all, so the conclusion must certainly be reached that this attempt was only staged by part of the armed forces. Reports of a number of warships said still to be missing are interesting, too.

Another conspiracy theory doing the rounds particularly in the Kurdish community is that the Kemalists tricked the Gulenists into staging this coup promising that they would then lend it their support, but then left them to their fate, because they also wanted to see the Gulenists purged from the armed forces and elsewhere. As I have said before, the contents of the statement the coupists made on state TV made it appear targeted towards the secular/Kemalist section of society, yet, as far as I can see, absolutely nobody in the secular community came out in support of it.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:21 am

Your comments as to the security concerns felt by the Turkish Cypriot community are well placed and reflect genuine concerns felt probably by most of that community, and it is a factor that must be addressed if a genuine solution to the Cyprus problem is to be found.

On the other hand, those who argue that the Greek Cypriot community is just waiting for an opportunity to commit genocide need to explain how several thousand Turkish Cypriots appear to live without fear in the government controlled areas nowadays. One good example would be fellow named Ayhan who has run a restaurant here in Limassol for many years now, and he also acts as the official muhtar for the Turkish Cypriot community in Limassol (under the constitution there are separate muhtars for each community). I frequently pass by that restaurant and have been there a few times. It is not under any kind of special protection. The bulk of the clientele are Greek Cypriots, and I hear them calling to him by name, so they must know that he is not 'one of them'. I once asked Ayhan if he experiences hostility for being Turkish Cypriot, and he said he used to but the atmosphere has changed. Neither he nor his business premises have to the best of my knowledge suffered any kind of attack, and there is not even any hostile graffiti on the walls. If he can run a small business in Limassol without coming under any kind of threat, does that not perhaps suggest that Turkish Cypriots' security fears are misplaced?
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:33 am

One interesting snippet of information coming out is that the Turkish intelligence service apparently informed the military chief of staff at 1600 that a coup would be attempted on the day that it happened, but politicians were not informed and only found out about it when it happened four or five hours later.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby miltiades » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:52 am

You will find that the older generation of T/Cs are less prone to "security" fears, it is mostly the younger generation who have been taught that the G/Cs were aiming to annihilate the T/Cs or have them removed from Cyprus. Most T/Cs that I know, and many they are, genuinely believe that we can again live together in peace.

You will have noticed that there are some G/Cs on this forum who vehemently despise T/Cs, most if not all have never experienced any meaningful contact with T/Cs, if they did they too would be convinced that on the whole the average T/C is no different from the average G/C, this has been my own conclusion drawn from many years of interaction with the T/Cs both in the UK and in Cyprus.

I understand that those of us who were not around during the inter communal violence, or the 1974 Turkish invasion, understandably see things in a different way.
I have mentioned many times in the past that I have yet to meet a T/C who is unquestionably either pro division or consumed with hatred for the G/Cs. We can all live together in a united Cyprus that we can all call our homeland, I hope that day will soon come.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Lordo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:19 am

the word in the street is that anastasiades is doing a christofias to the talks. i am afraid the chance of peace this year is reducing and if it does not happen this year the talks will change to one of division rather then unification.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby B25 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:37 am

Tim Drayton wrote:There is already a plausible explanation coming out as to why the coupist fighters tracking Erdogan's plane did not shoot it down in that the loyalist fighter pilots accompanying it allegedly convinced them in radio communications that it was a domestic passenger flight.
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Tell me again that thi was not staged, because if you can investigate and round up 50,000 people in less than a week, I'll eat my hat.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36 ... e=facebook

Come on, it's not rocket science whats gone on here surely, you cannot be that gullible Tim.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:33 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:One interesting snippet of information coming out is that the Turkish intelligence service apparently informed the military chief of staff at 1600 that a coup would be attempted on the day that it happened, but politicians were not informed and only found out about it when it happened four or five hours later.


I'm sure Erdogan knew at 1600 (and much much earlier) that there would be a coup, or else, why would he be not where he supposed to have been at his holiday hotel at 10pm.. The whole thing seems to have been orchestrated (and instigated) by Erdogan and gang, so for him to do what he's doing now. :roll:

The "coup" was God sent after all! :wink:
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:41 pm

Kikapu wrote:The "coup" was God sent after all! :wink:

When Erdo says “God sent” he may mean “instigated by me"! :lol:
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:36 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:One interesting snippet of information coming out is that the Turkish intelligence service apparently informed the military chief of staff at 1600 that a coup would be attempted on the day that it happened, but politicians were not informed and only found out about it when it happened four or five hours later.


I'm sure Erdogan knew at 1600 (and much much earlier) that there would be a coup, or else, why would he be not where he supposed to have been at his holiday hotel at 10pm.. The whole thing seems to have been orchestrated (and instigated) by Erdogan and gang, so for him to do what he's doing now. :roll:

The "coup" was God sent after all! :wink:


Come to think of it, the report I saw that in only mentioned the prime minister and other ministers not hearing about it until it happened. There was no mention of Erdogan.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

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