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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Cap » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:01 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:This one's for Tim...
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/37662/Staatsgr ... eien.dhtml


Ik kan niet Nederlands erg goet lezen.


Ek kan n bietjie, Afrikaans en Nederlands is omtrent dieselfde.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Jerry » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:11 pm

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Jerry wrote:...
Listening to some of the Western leaders' reactions, some appeared to be backing both sides, I sensed support for a return to democracy.
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OK, I entirely missed any such comment. If there were any, I apologise for misreading where the West stands (although I would appreciate quotes and links, if possible).


I was watching BBC late in the evening as the coup was in its early stages and before it failed, the initial responses from commentators quoting Western spokesmen (I don't recall specifics) I interpreted as being each way bets because they didn't want to offend whoever would be in power the next day. A return to democracy could have meant kicking Erdogan out and restoring freedom of the press and other rights. Previous army coups always returned power to the people eventually.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:18 pm

Jerry wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Jerry wrote:...
Listening to some of the Western leaders' reactions, some appeared to be backing both sides, I sensed support for a return to democracy.
...


OK, I entirely missed any such comment. If there were any, I apologise for misreading where the West stands (although I would appreciate quotes and links, if possible).


I was watching BBC late in the evening as the coup was in its early stages and before it failed, the initial responses from commentators quoting Western spokesmen (I don't recall specifics) I interpreted as being each way bets because they didn't want to offend whoever would be in power the next day. A return to democracy could have meant kicking Erdogan out and restoring freedom of the press and other rights. Previous army coups always returned power to the people eventually.


Commentators, yes. But not spokespersons on behalf of Western governments. Not that I have heard ... but willing to eat humble pie if proved wrong.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Maximus » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:20 pm

This was a poor excuse for a coup attempt.

First, you have majority support of the army

Second, you go after the man, detain him or assassinate him or whatever

Third, you must be ready to kill dissenters to show them that you mean business and what you say goes.

What did we have here, a couple thousand soldiors who probably received orders to close the airport, the bosphoros bridge and go to the studios of a few news agents to close them down. they didnt know that they blocked Erdogans entry back in to Ataturk airport. These soldiors didnt know that the rest of the military was not going to be involved and a few hours after the coup failed 2700 judges were purged. The soldiors were sacrificial pawns in a bigger game that got beaten by Erdogans supporters.

Next, sharia law in Erdoganistan. Turkey as we know it is finished.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:29 pm

Cap wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:This one's for Tim...
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/37662/Staatsgr ... eien.dhtml


Ik kan niet Nederlands erg goet lezen.


Ek kan n bietjie, Afrikaans en Nederlands is omtrent dieselfde.


En ik kan Nederlands verstaan omdat het gelijk Duits is.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:24 pm

Was that Dutch? Damn… it looked like Turkish to me! :lol:
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:26 pm

:shock: Anyways, what an arsehole this Erdogan is!

Turks must’ve bashed to death (and at least one beheaded) 18-20 year old conscripts because they're at fault!

What a disgusting people blaming their kids for their failures! :?

Two years ago these guys were still in high school and now they are the great conspirators against the nation! :?
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:32 pm

"The coup supporters will face accusations of "illegal entry" and "damaging the friendly relation between Turkey and Greece,"



And what a stupid Greek government!

Asylum seekers don't get any more genuine than the 8 who fled certain death!
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby Cap » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:39 pm

The megalomaniac is clearly deranged, the course of Turkey is ever increasingly being steered towards civil war and the spiral towards total anarchy in the middle east.


What's to be done you say?
We all know.... the West knows, the Arab nations know and a large segment of the Turkish population knows......
How they do it is another matter.
Better an internal marksman than a CIA or Mossad agent.
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Re: Attacks In Turkey

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:09 pm

...give him a chance boys (lol), either way, what was is over, intentions are everything, and what is natural; a force attracts equal and opposing forces, energy is conserved either kinetic or potential. Let's see if he will go too far.

...the Turkish people in Istanbul in any case are not prepared to give up their Democracy to coupists, this is clear. And while "our" leaders in the West did not support the coup, they were careful to demonstrate their support for the Institutional values that represent this State, not Erdogan. Indeed there is some sort of naivete exposed in the reporting that went on about Turkey in the moments where, as breaking news, reporters are hard pressed with their comments. But, this no doubt will be corrected by these same journalists, once they realise they have embarrassed themselves. Let's not forget that Erdogan is Leader of a very large and powerful country, it is hard to believe that NATO for example would have a dictator a member.

[email protected], those poor teens are martyrs in the minds of those that are the deeper state, i guess; although it does not mean their lives aren't (weren't) lost through murder.

[email protected], indeed who would think Greece would react that way; hard to believe.
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