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Postby tsukoui » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:49 pm

A cached version of the front page is available at http://www.pkkonline.com/en/
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:02 pm

Erdoğan invited Bahçeli from the MHP and Kılıçdaroğlu from the CHP to a meeting at his illegal palace today, but didn't invite anyone from the HDP. I wonder if there is a connection.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:14 pm

I couldn't find anything about the webserver being down at Özgür Gündem, the PKK/HDP's newspaper, but I found the following little comment there, with the headline: 'The Founding of a New System', about this afternoon's meeting at the palace. It appears that big change may be coming to the way Turkey is governed, and perhaps not quite as expected. It looks like Bahçeli and Kılıçdaroğlu are being given juicy enough bait for them to cooperate with Erdoğan in his ambitions for an executive presidency.

http://www.ozgur-gundem.com/haber/17376 ... si-basladi
(in Turkish)
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:56 pm

...watch for something like a BBF in Turkey soon;

Bicommunal identifying Citizens as Individuals, and, as Persons.
Bizonal because there will exist one Turkey,
...and within, another level of Government, Constituent states with equal, (and their own), Jurisdictional responsibilities as Persons.

Good news, perhaps. Erdogan will play nice. He may make the "Turks" in Cyprus, (his "parasites", his "servant-slaves), his martyrs, for his cause, and his legacy, in (and for) a better Turkey.
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:51 am

I think you have missed the point. The door has been closed in the face of the Kurdish movement, with the HDP not invited - and many of the parties' MPs have already had their parliamentary immunity removed and are threatened with prosecution.
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby tsukoui » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:39 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I couldn't find anything about the webserver being down at Özgür Gündem, the PKK/HDP's newspaper, but I found the following little comment there, with the headline: 'The Founding of a New System', about this afternoon's meeting at the palace. It appears that big change may be coming to the way Turkey is governed, and perhaps not quite as expected. It looks like Bahçeli and Kılıçdaroğlu are being given juicy enough bait for them to cooperate with Erdoğan in his ambitions for an executive presidency.

http://www.ozgur-gundem.com/haber/17376 ... si-basladi
(in Turkish)

Thanks Tim, my Turkish is quite good enough to read the article, perhaps you could translate. There are some very interesting things going on in Rojava that I think we should pay attention to. Thank you.
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:43 pm

In summary, it says the two leaders were invited to discuss the forming of a new presidential system with two main parties, one on the centre right to be created through a fusion of the AKP and MHP, and one on the centre left to be formed out of the CHP. It's just their opinion at the moment. It troubles me to see Kılıçdaroğlu even attending at that palace which he has rightly boycotted until now.

I agree that the Rojava experiment is interesting and deserves to be followed. On the other hand, Turkey now appears to be realigning and trying to get on good terms with the Assad regime in Syria and Russia, which does not bode well for Rojava, nor does the sidelining of the PKK/HDP by the Erdoğan regime. Rojava is already facing regular attacks from the Turkish military.
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:37 pm

Erdoğan is reported to have made the following comment to Kılıçdaroğlu at the palace meeting:

"Ben senin TRT'ye çıkmadığını bilmiyordum. Böyle şey mi olur? TRT, iktidara ne kadar zaman yer ayırıyorsa, size de o kadar zaman ayırmalı"

I didn’t know that you hadn’t appeared on TRT [the state broadcaster that has been turned into an arm of Erdoğan’s massive propaganda machine and which no longer gives any coverage whatsoever to opposition parties to the extent that the leader of opposition does not even appear on it]. Is that acceptable? The TRT should give as much time to you as it devotes to the ruling party.


http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/erdog ... 21620.html

This is not the Erdoğan of a few days ago.

There is definitely a whole new game plan in Turkey, and not quite the one we were expecting. But where are things heading?
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:41 pm

Perhaps the first indication that carrots will be held out to the Kurds? It has been announced that the investigation into the Roboski massacre will be reopened.

http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/robos ... 21595.html
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Re: PKK webserver down...

Postby kurupetos » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:55 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Erdoğan invited Bahçeli from the MHP and Kılıçdaroğlu from the CHP to a meeting at his illegal palace today, but didn't invite anyone from the HDP. I wonder if there is a connection.

Good. :)
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