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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby mistermax » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:41 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:In the following article, Robb Leech desribes how Anjem Choudary actively groomed his stepbrother to become a terrorist, which surely goes well beyond what is defensible under freedom of speech:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... lost-youth


So there is no personal responsibility of his stepbrother?

Freedom of speech protects hate speech as well, or else you are creating a mind-police.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:53 pm

mistermax wrote:Freedom of speech protects hate speech as well,

No it doesn't. Go research it.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby mistermax » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:59 pm

yes it does, it is checked.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby miltiades » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:47 pm

mistermax wrote:yes it does, it is checked.

Why are you so full of shit. Hate speech is a criminal offence in the UK and I should think throughout the EU.
In fact if one was to tell a foreigner in the UK to go back where he or she came from its also a criminal offence.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby mistermax » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:12 pm

miltiades wrote:
mistermax wrote:yes it does, it is checked.

Why are you so full of shit. Hate speech is a criminal offence in the UK and I should think throughout the EU.
In fact if one was to tell a foreigner in the UK to go back where he or she came from its also a criminal offence.


The laws concerning free speech aren't part of this discussion. Slavery was legal, holocaust was legal. Legal doesn't mean that something is ethical or "right".
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:18 pm

mistermax wrote:yes it does, it is checked.

I didn't say..."Go and wank and come back with the results" but go and research the meaning of FOS.

Now be a good boy and go study and no more wanking.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby miltiades » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:24 pm

mistermax wrote:
miltiades wrote:
mistermax wrote:yes it does, it is checked.

Why are you so full of shit. Hate speech is a criminal offence in the UK and I should think throughout the EU.
In fact if one was to tell a foreigner in the UK to go back where he or she came from its also a criminal offence.


The laws concerning free speech aren't part of this discussion. Slavery was legal, holocaust was legal. Legal doesn't mean that something is ethical or "right".

You do talk a load of crap don't you!! Care to tell how old you are ? I'm 70 by the way.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:41 pm

mistermax wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:In the following article, Robb Leech desribes how Anjem Choudary actively groomed his stepbrother to become a terrorist, which surely goes well beyond what is defensible under freedom of speech:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... lost-youth


So there is no personal responsibility of his stepbrother?

Freedom of speech protects hate speech as well, or else you are creating a mind-police.


Yes, there is. That may be why he is now in prison.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:48 pm

A gangster boss employs henchmen. One day, he says to one of the henchmen "Kill Mr X". The henchman goes and kills Mr X. Is the gangster boss in any way culpable for Mr X's death? All he did was speak.
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Re: Anjem Choudary convicted of supporting Isis

Postby mistermax » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:24 pm

miltiades wrote:I'm 70 by the way.


how does that change anything?

Tim Drayton wrote:
mistermax wrote:

Freedom of speech protects hate speech as well, or else you are creating a mind-police.


Yes, there is. That may be why he is now in prison.


I didn't say it isn't legal.

Tim Drayton wrote:A gangster boss employs henchmen. One day, he says to one of the henchmen "Kill Mr X". The henchman goes and kills Mr X. Is the gangster boss in any way culpable for Mr X's death? All he did was speak.


That is not an example of my case. In my case, he who says "mr X should be killed" is not a boss. Bosses hold responsibility for the acts of the employees.
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