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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Lordo » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:08 pm

miltiades wrote:The coalition has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the suffering of the Syrian people.
Their initial demand for the removal of Assad, which they have now withdrawn, was ill conceived and rather naive, failing to formulate any plan for his replacement.

In a few words, the USA has fucked up.

but ask yourself this question. who died and made the yanks the power do not only decide such a thing but attemt to implement it with no regard to people who lived there. if this is not a war crime what is.


yanks go home and furquine stay there you bar stewards.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:49 pm

miltiades wrote:The coalition has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the suffering of the Syrian people.
Their initial demand for the removal of Assad, which they have now withdrawn, was ill conceived and rather naive, failing to formulate any plan for his replacement.

In a few words, the USA has fucked up.


There is no such back down from the Coalition.

The aim is for a peace settlement and there can't be a peace settlement without the removal of Assad. You tell us how that is possible when millions of Sunnis have just gone through hell and back?

We are trying to alleviate their suffering by trying to get aid through but that is not possible because they are not allowed through and now the Russians have even bombed a convoy - another new low.

You stick to animal welfare because clearly the Syrian people must be from a lesser God than cats and dogs.

Obama has fucked up because he refused to do the business after he was begged by Pootin. But now Pootin has fucked up because they have entered a war that will go for years.

Only exit now, is negotiations with the coalition and moderate rebels. Assad will forever be one of the worlds Pariah's now. There are also over 50 rebel groups. 50! Now explain this. Why the hell would all these people be carrying AK47s if everything was ok with Assad? Are they doing it for the hell of it or for fun?

Syria is a broken country and you can't just mend things or rewind the clock now. The rebel groups will be walking the halls of power soon as part of a unity ticket. Maybe they will put down their arms if they get what is owed to them. Just maybe.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:15 pm

There are 6 competing agendas in Syria. 6!

Only one is a viable option that can end the war. Only 1.

2 if you add partition.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Schnauzer » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:59 pm

miltiades wrote: I'm a 70 year old CYPRIOT.


MY ARSE !! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby miltiades » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:45 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:The coalition has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the suffering of the Syrian people.
Their initial demand for the removal of Assad, which they have now withdrawn, was ill conceived and rather naive, failing to formulate any plan for his replacement.

In a few words, the USA has fucked up.


There is no such back down from the Coalition.

The aim is for a peace settlement and there can't be a peace settlement without the removal of Assad. You tell us how that is possible when millions of Sunnis have just gone through hell and back?

We are trying to alleviate their suffering by trying to get aid through but that is not possible because they are not allowed through and now the Russians have even bombed a convoy - another new low.

You stick to animal welfare because clearly the Syrian people must be from a lesser God than cats and dogs.

Obama has fucked up because he refused to do the business after he was begged by Pootin. But now Pootin has fucked up because they have entered a war that will go for years.

Only exit now, is negotiations with the coalition and moderate rebels. Assad will forever be one of the worlds Pariah's now. There are also over 50 rebel groups. 50! Now explain this. Why the hell would all these people be carrying AK47s if everything was ok with Assad? Are they doing it for the hell of it or for fun?

Syria is a broken country and you can't just mend things or rewind the clock now. The rebel groups will be walking the halls of power soon as part of a unity ticket. Maybe they will put down their arms if they get what is owed to them. Just maybe.

Which rebel group would that be ?
"There are at least 100-120 different groups, with various aims, and differing in size from thousands to just 100-200 members. They are splintered, with some limited to a narrow geographical area. And some are far from moderate, sharing the ideology of al-Qaida.

The fragmented nature of the opposition is reflected in an assessment by Charles Lister, author of The Syrian Jihad: Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and the Evolution of an Insurgency.

Among the various groups, he listed: Southern Front (58 factions), 25,000 strong; Northern Free Syrian Army (14 factions), 20,000; Tajamu Fastaqm Kama Umrat, 1,000; Thuwar al-Sham, 1,000; Jabhat al-Asala wal Tanmiya, 5,000; al-Jabhat al-Shamiya, 2,500; Kataib Nour al-Din al-Zinki, 1,500; Faylaq al-Rahman, 2,000; Faylaq al-Sham 4,000; al-Ittihad al-Islami Ajnad al-Sham, 3,000."

What the West failed to consider is WHO WILL REPLACE ASSAD?
Who from all these groups would be able to bring peace to the Syrian people ?

The country is breaking apart, the Syrian people need peace they do not need 100 plus groups fighting Assad.

I do care a great deal about the suffering of innocent men women and children, I can see only one group capable of restoring peace to Syria and that is the legal government of Syria, the internationally recognized government. Only the very naïve could envisage a solution and establishment of peace by removing the one force that can achieve this.I repeat, the West, America in particular, has totally FUCKED UP.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:55 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:The coalition has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the suffering of the Syrian people.
Their initial demand for the removal of Assad, which they have now withdrawn, was ill conceived and rather naive, failing to formulate any plan for his replacement.

In a few words, the USA has fucked up.


There is no such back down from the Coalition.

The aim is for a peace settlement and there can't be a peace settlement without the removal of Assad. You tell us how that is possible when millions of Sunnis have just gone through hell and back?

We are trying to alleviate their suffering by trying to get aid through but that is not possible because they are not allowed through and now the Russians have even bombed a convoy - another new low.

You stick to animal welfare because clearly the Syrian people must be from a lesser God than cats and dogs.

Obama has fucked up because he refused to do the business after he was begged by Pootin. But now Pootin has fucked up because they have entered a war that will go for years.

Only exit now, is negotiations with the coalition and moderate rebels. Assad will forever be one of the worlds Pariah's now. There are also over 50 rebel groups. 50! Now explain this. Why the hell would all these people be carrying AK47s if everything was ok with Assad? Are they doing it for the hell of it or for fun?

Syria is a broken country and you can't just mend things or rewind the clock now. The rebel groups will be walking the halls of power soon as part of a unity ticket. Maybe they will put down their arms if they get what is owed to them. Just maybe.

Which rebel group would that be ?
"There are at least 100-120 different groups, with various aims, and differing in size from thousands to just 100-200 members. They are splintered, with some limited to a narrow geographical area. And some are far from moderate, sharing the ideology of al-Qaida.

The fragmented nature of the opposition is reflected in an assessment by Charles Lister, author of The Syrian Jihad: Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and the Evolution of an Insurgency.

Among the various groups, he listed: Southern Front (58 factions), 25,000 strong; Northern Free Syrian Army (14 factions), 20,000; Tajamu Fastaqm Kama Umrat, 1,000; Thuwar al-Sham, 1,000; Jabhat al-Asala wal Tanmiya, 5,000; al-Jabhat al-Shamiya, 2,500; Kataib Nour al-Din al-Zinki, 1,500; Faylaq al-Rahman, 2,000; Faylaq al-Sham 4,000; al-Ittihad al-Islami Ajnad al-Sham, 3,000."

What the West failed to consider is WHO WILL REPLACE ASSAD?
Who from all these groups would be able to bring peace to the Syrian people ?

The country is breaking apart, the Syrian people need peace they do not need 100 plus groups fighting Assad.

I do care a great deal about the suffering of innocent men women and children, I can see only one group capable of restoring peace to Syria and that is the legal government of Syria, the internationally recognized government. Only the very naïve could envisage a solution and establishment of peace by removing the one force that can achieve this.I repeat, the West, America in particular, has totally FUCKED UP.


Did you do a rebel census? Host he hell would you know?

There are village rebel groups just specifically set up to defend themselves from the regime and DAESH and other jihadists. Why is that? Come on you can work it out!

Because they are being pounded by the regime perhaps.

Assad has lost control of his country. Sunnis will not just become his slaves. He no longer has any authority or moral conviction to maintain any rule over significant parts of Syria.

He has as such LOST the war.

He just doesn't realize it yet.

There are no military solutions here, hence negotiations with the coalition but I don't think we are prepared to negotiate with a war criminal.

It doesn't matter who will replace Assad now old boy. Right now we have a war criminal using Chemical Weapons against Sunnis in Aleppo and elsewhere. You can't get any worse than that. And I'm not joking or exaggerating either. This is the rock bottom of all lows and much lower than anything we have seen from any rebels.

But since you ask. We want a National Unity ticket between the current Baathists and moderate Sunni groups. Who they elect is up to them.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:16 pm

Oh in case you didn't also know, it wasn't our intention to remove Assad from the outset. We had the same concerns about who will take over and still do.

But what we know now is that Assad is finished. There I no longer any legimiacy for his rule. In fact, we are talking about massive War Crimes.

Therefore, he is a leader we can never recognize or even negotiate with. Syria is a country we recognize or could have diplomatic ties with.

As a result, the only way negotiations can take place are through his sponsor, Pootin himself.

So we have a stalemate it seems. You control the ground, but we control the skies and hence at our mercy.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:08 pm

I'm not so sure about that. I get the feeling that the Americans and Russians have done a deal. Assad stays, but obviously as Russia's puppet, and he will have the sword of Damocles dangling over his head knowing that he's finished if the Russians withdraw their support. On the other hand, the Americans get Iraq, and there's an awful lot of oil left in the ground there, so I would say that both parties will walk away satisified.
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Re: THE ISIS SYMPATHISERS

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:02 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I'm not so sure about that. I get the feeling that the Americans and Russians have done a deal. Assad stays, but obviously as Russia's puppet, and he will have the sword of Damocles dangling over his head knowing that he's finished if the Russians withdraw their support. On the other hand, the Americans get Iraq, and there's an awful lot of oil left in the ground there, so I would say that both parties will walk away satisified.


I like to think that the USA will be making no such deals with the devil.

If they have, then they are complicit to the war crimes. Just as guilty in every aspect.

Nothing indicates any particular deal just a reluctance to get caught in the Syrian Quagmire with ground forces.
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